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Seems I'm not alone in my views

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Be a boring old world if we did

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OK, I lied one more, this is the only link I could find to channel 4's excellent comedy series: absolutely! and specifically series 2 episode 2, if you are unfamiliar with this fantastic show- watch the lot. But here in this episode the first sketch (sit through the advert!) is Calum Gilhooley showing you how to deal with religious salesmen.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/a...ly/4od#2921960
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OK, I lied one more, this is the only link I could find to channel 4's excellent comedy series: absolutely! and specifically series 2 episode 2, if you are unfamiliar with this fantastic show- watch the lot. But here in this episode the first sketch (sit through the advert!) is Calum Gilhooley showing you how to deal with religious salesmen.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/a...ly/4od#2921960
Calum Gilhooley - what a guy!

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PS - When I have a bit more time, I will give you a proper reply. I like the topic
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Simon, robin, Del, Kevin, Mark and all

I was a little trepidacious about opening this thread this morning as it had just started to go a little pear shaped. It is not my intention to annoy or offend anyone but that can be a consequence.

My intention is not to say I am Holier than thou and stand above anyone wagging a finger. No, on the contrary, my God shows that one sin is the same as a thousand, one type of sin is as bad as any other type of sin in the terms that it makes one unholy i.e. it is an absolute, you are unholy and broken or you are Holy and whole. Since no human is free of sin then none can be more Holy than anyone else even though they might purport to be or make others feel that way they are not and I am definentely not.

I tell people the story ( a real fact as far as I'm concerned) so that they might have a choice to listen and act on it, but it is their choice, I do not condemn those who do not make a choice for God now, one day they might. (I like the Absolutely Sketch BTW)

Real faith, like Holiness is absolute, I can't be a little bit faithful. My faith is not an opinion that can be attenuated and modified to fit in with what is popular at present. I can't be open to another faith or lifestyle option because it appears to be a much fairer or more rational way of interacting with others in society. To do that would deny that God is always right, which implies that something may be better than God. Faith requires me to be faithful:
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Conscientious, Consistent, Unwavering, Not adulterous, True.

An unfortunate acronym that some might be tempted to apply here

When I say you believe in nothing and I believe in everything it is said in the context of the Christian faith and this is that there is only one God and He gives New Life through faith in Him, which is everything. To not believe in that one God means no new life, which is nothing. Solomon explains this very clearly and humorously.

Wisdom in the terms of Christian faith literally means to accept and live by the word of God and so those who do not are, by definition, unwise. So the term wisdom is not some arbitrary judgement about the decisions people make in life per se.

Did you know Jesus tells us many times not to judge other in terms of faith or some moral standard but only to look at how our own faith or moral standards stand up to our own conscience.

So that thought takes me back to the original topic that I have drifted away from somewhat i.e. ‘Morals where did they originate’. So if there is anyone who’s not out or would like to come back in:

I have put forward a theory of the origin and nature of morals, but to keep the discussion more secular, can anyone propose a theory of the origin and nature of morals in terms of evolution and the origin of species. Mark started to answer in post #24 but got sidetracked I thought. Rejecting my proposal because some supporters of it behave badly is not a valid argument. That is like saying the rules of football are wrong because some players fight, well yeah! that is why there are rules so you know what conduct is not permitted.

Cheers and all the best (especially Del) Dave
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I hope this thread has run its course, if for no other reason than it had no place on this forum.
I did not get involved in the discussion-it is more fun to sit back and watch the games! I am not sure of your intention in posting originally, just to be contentius I fear, but anyway, as patronising and as condescending as you are , I am sure your intentions are sincere, they just dont do it for me.
I live a happy life, I have what I consider good morals and ethical behaviour ,I do as I would be done by and guess what? not a whiff of God in sight.
Each to their own . but please keep it to yourself- there is nothing worse than an ex smoker and a new christian!

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Why? because it offends you, 1) why should it? and 2) there is no right not to be offended although some seem to think there is or should be.

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I am not sure of your intention in posting originally, just to be contentius I fear,
Just to keep it in the right place, you know, the break room, where any topic can be discussed that's not to do with podiatry. No need to be afraid though God still loves you.

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but anyway, as patronising and as condescending as you are , I am sure your intentions are sincere, they just dont do it for me.
Isn't that a little patronizing and condescending?

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I live a happy life, I have what I consider good morals and ethical behaviour ,I do as I would be done by and guess what? not a whiff of God in sight.
Well done!I'm just telling my view that doesn't automatically demand that you change yours. But you totally missed the point and so I guess you won't even get this point.

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Whilst I don't mind debating the subject, I think this thread has ran its course. It is a podiatry forum after all - not a philosophy or theological discussion board and although we could have many hours of enjoyable debate, there is the very real danger, as others have pointed out, of it being derailed by personal abuse. Undermining or reinforcing belief systems can be rather traumatic for some. I made the point about belief dogma on the other thread to illustrate a point , not to undermine your belief - and I think the direction and nature of this thread has more than adequately proved my point. It's Just as unlikely that Kevin Kirby will ever endorse sole supports or Rothbart's insoles as it is that we will ever reach agreement on religion - so on that basis - although I'm sure you're having fun - mabe it's best to say we agree to disagree and leave it at that.

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You are all too uptight to be slack. Relax and make the right choice. That choice is Sub-genius.
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Hey! every cloud has a silver lining eh!
Thanks Dave , tip from an oldun .... Just enjoy being YOU!!!

No need to pontificate your views , enjoy life , enjoy your friends and most of all be tolerant of the views of others.

Accept them as a differing view but don't dismiss them as irrelevant !!

You are on a roll with your new found faith

Enjoy the moment and believe we can all share and enjoy your moment.

BUT

One day ,come back into the real world and accept that religion and religious morals are so closely linked to be inseparable .

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IMO totally hypocritical to offend many like me.

No need to reply, just understand

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It's been fun reading kids...

Now I'd better call Cruise and Travolta and get my wallet ready for some proper religion.

Someone pass me that B grade sci-fi novel over there?

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I agree with the others that have stated that religion is man made. The older I become the more distanced I become from religion.

For me, if there is a God, A Divine Source, it is us, everyone of us. We embody the drops of water from the infinite ineffable waters of All.

I have a firm belief in spirituality, which for me is a relationship with my Self. When I truly know my Self, I will remember who I really am.

When we have a spiritual experience through our own religion, through relationships or by whatever means, we are connecting to the most important Source of all...ourselves, and when we do, we are inspired to do great things such as honoring and respecting the choices of others.

For now, I just want to be enlightened in Biomechanics and Orthotics.

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