Home Forums Marketplace Table of Contents Events Member List Site Map Register Mark Forums Read



Welcome to the Podiatry Arena forums, for communication between foot health professionals about podiatry and related topics.

You are currently viewing our podiatry forum as a guest which gives you limited access to view all podiatry discussions and access our other features. By joining our free global community of Podiatrists and other interested foot health care professionals you will have access to post podiatry topics (answer and ask questions), communicate privately with other members (PM), upload content, view attachments, receive a weekly email update of new discussions, earn CPD points and access many other special features. Registered users do not get displayed the advertisments in posted messages. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our global Podiatry community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Tags: ,

'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

Reply
Submit Thread >  Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Google Submit to Yahoo! This Submit to Technorati Submit to StumbleUpon Submit to Spurl Submit to Netscape  < Submit Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 23rd March 2012, 11:14 AM
Admin's Avatar
Admin Admin is offline
Administrator
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cyberspace
Posts: 2,734
Join Date: Aug 2004
Marketplace reputation 45% (0)
Thanks: 113
Thanked 398 Times in 196 Posts
Default 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

Podiatry Arena members do not see these ads
'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution
Quote:
Aerobic exercise triggers a reward system in the body of long-distance running creatures like humans and dogs, but not ferrets, a study led by UA anthropologist David Raichlen suggests.

In the last century, something unexpected happened: Humans became sedentary. We traded in our active lifestyles for a more immobile existence.
Full story
__________________
Forum Rules | FAQ's
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 27th March 2012, 08:34 AM
drsha drsha is offline
Banned
 
About:
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,050
Join Date: Oct 2008
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 219
Thanked 57 Times in 50 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

This is indeed a fascinating article.

I am correct to infer by its description that I should either be a long distance runner or smoke some pot or both?

Dennis
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 27th March 2012, 09:18 AM
Simon Spooner's Avatar
Simon Spooner Simon Spooner is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: "I'm sick of flags - whatever colour. There's only one flag - the white flag.": Paul Hewson
Posts: 7,817
Join Date: Aug 2005
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 456
Thanked 1,076 Times in 784 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baeT3g7udho
__________________
Who? What? When? Why? Yeah? And? So? What?

"My mission drive is to open up my eyes, 'cause the wicked lies and all the sh!te you say..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4NW5S1UTPQ

"Science is the antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition."
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 27th March 2012, 10:40 AM
wdd wdd is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: france
Posts: 582
Join Date: Aug 2009
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 97 Times in 80 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

I don't think they've got it quite right.

activity levels didn't increase "unexpectedly" last century. Labour saving devices in all their manifestations from car, to car park cheek by jowl with destination, washing machine, etc, etc, etc. Were designed into society because the were attractive to man.

Part of the direct or indirect commercial success of all these devices is based on the fact that, in general, man only takes exercise if he is forced by circumstances to do so. For me another self evident truth is that the more physically inactive man becomes the more he craves inactivity.

Fine. when primitive man went hunting he got some masochistic pleasure out the exercise but if he killed a mamoth, ie enough food for the next month he Would sit on his bum and eat himself silly for the next month and would feel absolutely no desire to go for a long run until the fear of starvation got him off his indolent butt.

The good feelings asociated with exercise are not enough to make the vast majoriy of people exercise. Good feeling plus imminent physical danger or the prospect of starvation is required to activate the vast majority.

It's been one of those days.

Best wishes,

Bill
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to wdd For This Useful Post:
drsha (27th March 2012)
  #5  
Old 27th March 2012, 06:37 PM
phil's Avatar
phil phil is offline
Senior Member
 
About:
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Mackay, Australia
Posts: 184
Join Date: Jan 2006
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 38
Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

Dennis,

I think the take home message is that on the days you can't get out for a run, you should smoke some pot. Unless you are a ferret. And then you should just skip the run and smoke the pot. I think.

No, that doesn't sound right.
__________________
Phil Marshman
Mackay, Queensland Australia
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 28th March 2012, 02:11 AM
DanielleArthur DanielleArthur is offline
Member
 
About:
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 13
Join Date: Apr 2011
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

Interesting article but I love the final paragraph: 'Raichlen also suggested that exercise could be a cheap solution to many medical conditions' Thanks for that one Captain Obvious lol
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 28th March 2012, 03:20 AM
mike weber's Avatar
mike weber mike weber is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: stockholm sweden
Posts: 3,849
Join Date: Apr 2009
Marketplace reputation 50% (0)
Thanks: 197
Thanked 598 Times in 428 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielleArthur View Post
Interesting article but I love the final paragraph: 'Raichlen also suggested that exercise could be a cheap solution to many medical conditions' Thanks for that one Captain Obvious lol
the most common thing about common sense is that it is not very common
__________________
Mike Weber.



KINGSWOOD - Sucker Punch
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 2nd April 2012, 07:20 AM
BEN-HUR's Avatar
BEN-HUR BEN-HUR is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 551
Join Date: Sep 2007
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 84
Thanked 103 Times in 81 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

I really do wonder sometimes at the quality of science that is allowed to be published (i.e. Journal of Experimental Biology), allowed to be associated with Universities & subsequently allowed to be viewed by the masses.

Humans like to run, so do dogs (observable fact that most children know)... uncooperative ferrets it would seem do not (well, look at the frontal lobe size of a ferret for starters). Hence the neurotransmitters responsible for “runner’s high” (endocannabinoid) will naturally/likely be found in the former two... I wonder about primates (why wasn’t a chimp used?); after all, doesn’t this species better fit the premise associated with the underlying reasoning – that of evolution.

I see anthropologist David Raichlen has taken a page out of anthropologist Lieberman’s book – i.e. let’s try & link our philosophical/historical view of origins to running... & pass it off as science. For evolution to be at least plausible, the conjecture needs to show evidence that its process can provide new information as well as complex, independent biomechanical pathways for starters (i.e. where did the likes of neurotransmitters & hormones originate, how, & for what reason for the speculated simple organism). Did the neuron, synapse, synaptic vesicles, chemicals etc... evolve together at once for example? Neurotransmitters & hormones are consistent with design explanation... they have a specific purpose, put in place by an intelligent source to allow many complex activities to take place all at once in various regions of the organism/body.

Evolution is nothing more than an historical myth & until the science community in general is allowed to see this & allowed to express this (without ridicule & discrimination) via following where the evidence leads, then we are going to continue to see research of this nature pop up from time to time (probably in the lame quest to secure grants??)... research/conclusions of which will also be lame, nonsensical & bankrupt of true scientific enlightenment.

There is a group/organisation which has been formed, known as “Friends of Science in Medicine” (discussed here on this forum). Frankly, the quality of the above research has the credibility standing of crystal healing, reiki therapy, new age mythology & the likes! The sooner it is gotten rid of - the better for science (& medicine).

... And then (as already discussed above) we have the bleeding obvious (for the 21st century). Probably admitted in an attempt to add some credence to the article...
Quote:
Raichlen also suggested that exercise could be a cheap solution to many medical conditions, improving our mental state through the endocannabinoids and our cardiovascular and pulmonary condition through good old-fashioned exertion.
Could” you say... there is a tonne of research pointing to the connection .
__________________
- alias: Matthew Thomas - Podiatrist.
Back On Track Podiatry.

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift": Steve Prefontaine.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 15th May 2012, 10:10 AM
davidh's Avatar
davidh davidh is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Powys, Wales.
Posts: 1,342
Join Date: Oct 2004
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 144
Thanked 133 Times in 109 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

Double post
__________________
.................................................. ..........................................
David Holland MSc(Bioeng), BSc(Hons) Pod Med.
Expert Witness - Association of Personal Injury Lawyers.
2014 Individual Member - Expert Witness Institute.

Email: dmholland@dunelm.org.uk

Correspondence Address: David Holland, The Nuffield Hospital, Scraptoft Lane, Leicester LE5 1HY.
.................................................. ..........................................

Last edited by davidh : 15th May 2012 at 10:19 AM. Reason: See above
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 15th May 2012, 10:12 AM
davidh's Avatar
davidh davidh is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Powys, Wales.
Posts: 1,342
Join Date: Oct 2004
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 144
Thanked 133 Times in 109 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

Couple of points:

Ferrets, especially female ferrets (Jills) can move pretty quickly when they want to. Did they test the right ones?

Some of us experienced a "runners high" during our first acupuncture session. One point on my left leg was bloody painful when the needle went in - but I couldn't drive home afterwards, and the smile was with me for days.............
That was proper Japanese acupuncture mind, as used on Sumo wrestlers, and not this namby-pamby watered-down Western nonsense.

BH, where do chimps come into evolution?
Just asking.........
__________________
.................................................. ..........................................
David Holland MSc(Bioeng), BSc(Hons) Pod Med.
Expert Witness - Association of Personal Injury Lawyers.
2014 Individual Member - Expert Witness Institute.

Email: dmholland@dunelm.org.uk

Correspondence Address: David Holland, The Nuffield Hospital, Scraptoft Lane, Leicester LE5 1HY.
.................................................. ..........................................
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 16th May 2012, 05:58 AM
BEN-HUR's Avatar
BEN-HUR BEN-HUR is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 551
Join Date: Sep 2007
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 84
Thanked 103 Times in 81 Posts
Default Re: 'Runner's High' Played a Role in Human Evolution

Quote:
Originally Posted by davidh View Post
Ferrets, especially female ferrets (Jills) can move pretty quickly when they want to. Did they test the right ones?
The research (if you could call it that) & subsequent assumptions (obscure to say the least) was based around endurance episodes contributing to those warm fuzzy neurotransmitters (endocannabinoid – anandamide) being released into the system... & apparently invoking our speculated ancestors to get up & start running (Ape man meet Forrest Gump). Hey, I'm a marathon runner... & I sometimes wonder if those warm fuzzy neurotransmitters are wearing thin on me these days... yet I still run. There are many reasons why I have continued running for the past 30 years - & it's not the "hit" (buzz) I get from those remarkable (inspired) neurochemicals. Anyway...

Quote:
Originally Posted by davidh View Post
BH, where do chimps come into evolution?
Just asking.........
In short... they don't. The above question portrays that "chimps" & their assumed relation with an evolution process is a valid relationship. It isn't. "Chimps" have naturally been subjected to Natural Selection which has likely contributed to some relatively minor changes only (compared to the assumed evolutionary changes speculated/required within primate history - heck - mammal history - heck - history of all life forms from some assumed "simple"... & needed "self-replicating" substance in some "primordial soup"... eons ago! ) - but that's it. They are not the ancestors of humans. Humans have always been just that - human ... & have always had the ability to run... for various reasons throughout history .

__________________
- alias: Matthew Thomas - Podiatrist.
Back On Track Podiatry.

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift": Steve Prefontaine.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Translate This Page

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Evolution of human running NewsBot Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 13 23rd January 2012 02:25 AM
Obesity and diabetes are a downside of human evolution RSSFeedBot Latest Diabetes Medicine Research & News 0 24th February 2011 03:10 PM
Feet hold the key to human hand evolution Griff General Issues and Discussion Forum 6 22nd January 2010 01:08 PM
High tibial stress fracture in runner Freeman Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 2 29th March 2008 08:13 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

Finding your way around:

Browse the forums.

Search the site.

Browse the tags.

Search the tags.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:41 AM.