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1) How do you treat it
2) how do you prevent it


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Cuboid syndrome/subluxation:

Poorly recognised.
Cuboid assumed to become partially subluxed due to excessive traction from peroneus longus as the foot is excessively pronated --> cuboid not stable as peroneus longus contracts --> lateral aspect of cuboid pulled dorsally and medial aspect plantarly.
Cuboid may also become subluxed as part of lateral ankle sprain.

In about 4% of all foot injuries in athletes.

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Lateral pain on weightbearing – over calcaneocuboid joint and cuboid-metatarsal joints; pain is often referred --> get a generalised foot discomfort, especially over lateral aspect of foot.
Pressing cuboid upwards --> can produce pain
Range of movement of cuboid is restricted relative to unaffected foot.
If severe --> may have shallow depression on dorsum of foot
Has not been documented on x-ray.

Differential diagnosis – myofascial trigger point; sinus tarsi syndrome; stress fracture; peroneal tendonitis; irritation of os peroneum; ankle meniscoid lesion/impingement.

Pain in calcaneocuboid joint has been reported as being common following plantar fascia surgical release.

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Activity modification.
Manipulation – cuboid pushed upward and laterally from the plantar surface
Ice, strapping, foot orthoses with cuboid notch, footwear with good rearfoot control
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Differential diagnosis – myofascial trigger point; sinus tarsi syndrome; stress fracture; peroneal tendonitis; irritation of os peroneum; ankle meniscoid lesion/impingement.



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As a sufferer of a chronic one it is facinating to see how it affects AJC movement in gait and the knee!!

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What is AJC?

The 2 patients I have seen with subluxed cubiod we were able to mobilise/manipulate the cubiod into an improved position and apply strapping to hold it initially as well as apply semicompressed felt cubiod padding to their shoes. It seemed to work.

Yehuda - you also asked "how to prevent it" could that be add cubiod pads/notches to all orthotics? a very simplistic method. Or is their a mechanical pattern that makes someone more prone to suffer from this?

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AJC = ankle joint complex
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Hi Mark

For me the weightbearing affects include:

restricted dorsiflexion especially when moving towards early heel lift and beyond, limiting of resupination of heel
increased stress upon the medial knee

All these are most noticeable when getting up first thing in the morning.

Wearing my orthotics makes the affects minimal but when not wearing them there is a vulnerable feel to the foot and knee on one side.

Had Manip's and Mobs which have had a short term benefit but does not last.

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Ian

What caused your problems initially? I assume you have worked on the peroneals i.e.. heat packs and massage and neural stretches. You mention problems first thing in the am have you tried a night splint?

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What caused your problems initially? I assume you have worked on the peroneals i.e.. heat packs and massage and neural stretches. You mention problems first thing in the am have you tried a night splint?

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I have used them for those with peroneal issues it was shown to me by some physios.

patient is reclined in bed with a beach towel (as it is longer and easier to hold onto) place the towel around the foot mainly at the forefoot with the knee flexed pull the foot into a supinated position. Then bring the leg up and gradually extend the knee depending on how tight the muscles are will dictate the at what point you need to get to get the stretch in the peroneals by doing a straight leg raise at the same time you are doing a neural stretch. I advised patients not to hold it for more than 8 seconds as you can flare the nerve up. I have them repeat this 2-3 daily for 2 weeks and then review things. It appears to help in most cases.
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I find that cuboid subluxation occur with patients who have tight peroneous longus and gastroc soleous. So I encourage them to stretch them gently at first, making sure that they are stretching what they are supposed to, and not a bad imitation. Technique is very important. Excessive pressure or loading on the first ray increassed the peroneous longus tension, and if the foot is pronating on a plantarflexing first met head it (cuboid) can sublux. I often see them after a bad inversion sprain that has not been properly rehabed.

I will try to put the foot in a position where the lesser met heads are taking their share of the load, expecially early in stance...I tend to use a first met cut out, increased cuboid support (a poron addition can be more comfrtable than a rigid one if the cuboid is not yet in place), heel raises on those with tight calves, and a full medial long arch support. IN a cavus foot I will put in a long plantar groove. People will tell you that if they wear Birks or similar sandals with cuboid support that when it is "out" the sandals are almost intolerable until it is back in place. I sometimes do a whip cuboid maneuver which works best when pre-stretching the calves and peroneals has already occurred. Keep them stretching but with the hopes that when it pops back, it does it by itself. The more whips you do, the more risk I believe there is to joint integrity. Loose bed sheets may be a help for those who sleep with their feet in plantar flexion with all kinds of bed sheets, dog, etc on their feet.
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do you use heating at the calc/cubiod joint prior to wips?

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Default Labrum of Calcaneo-cuboid joint

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There are those of us who believe that a "subluxed cuboid" might actually be a figment of clinician's imaginations, since a "subluxed cuboid" has never been shown to be present on plain film radiograph, CT or MRI scan, to my knowledge. In fact, the symptoms generally described as being due to a "subluxed cuboid" are more likely due to impingement in a virtually unknown structure within the human foot, the labrum of the calcaneo-cuboid joint.

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Hollander JD, Lidtke RH, Lai JY. The labrum of the calcaneocuboid joint. J Foot Ankle Surg. 1998 Jul-Aug;37(4):308-12.


The authors describe a previously unreported anatomical structure in the calcaneocuboid joint of the foot and discuss the clinical significance. Fibroadipose synovial folds or labra are present in different locations throughout the calcaneocuboid joint of the foot. They appear to be wedge-shaped infections attached to the joint capsule in areas of incongruent joint spaces. Their surface is covered with synovial cells with a highly vascular loose connective tissue sublayer. Nerve fibers were seen in association with the joint capsule, but not within the V-shaped labrum. The clinical significance of the presence of the labrum is discussed, but their function is uncertain. These structures can project up to half the joint distance and have the possibility of producing impingement syndromes, or even tears. Since they are covered with two to three layers of synoviocytes, they also have the ability to produce a synovitis. The labrum can be identified using MRI, and once their presence is known arthroscopic repair of these structures is theoretically possible.
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There are those of us who believe that a "subluxed cuboid" might actually be a figment of clinician's imaginations, since a "subluxed cuboid" has never been shown to be present on plain film radiograph, CT or MRI scan, to my knowledge. In fact, the symptoms generally described as being due to a "subluxed cuboid" are more likely due to impingement in a virtually unknown structure within the human foot, the labrum of the calcaneo-cuboid joint.
This certainly makes sense to me.
Anatomically, it's difficult for me to see how the cuboid could sublux.

Does anyone else find the symptoms associated with "subluxed cuboid" in patients with chronic plantar fasciitis?

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Perhaps it is unfortunate that, as the manipulation for this works so well, it has become called 'Cuboid subluxation' when perhaps the more appropriate term should be 'Cuboid syndrome'.

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Brukner and Khan in 'Clinical sports medicine' describe this pretty well. Invariably, we are dealing with a cuboid that is stiff to palpation (plantar-to-dorsal); when compared to the contra-lateral foot.

This is one of the few conditions that one can improve considerably within one session of manual therapy.
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Anatomically, it's difficult for me to see how the cuboid could sublux
Maybe it's "subluxed" in the same way as the bones that Chiropractors see are "subluxed".

I know that rest, not wearing my sandals, massage and "mobilisation" with a hand-held massage unit (couldn't get my hands into a good position to mobilise my own foot adequately) reduced and improved my cuboid syndrome.
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Cuboid syndrome works for me....I have had a few people who have had a pain similar to PF. I had it myself 3 years ago. As soon as I did the stretches on calves and peroneals, the "snap" took away the pressure on my lateral foot and the heel pain went away...instantly.

Yes Warming the foot and calves seems to help. (Soory I did not answer right away...was in Winnipeg for a week
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I have treated this for 2 decades so have some thoughts. I intended to submit a letter to the editor after the article cited earlier in JOSPT in 2005, but never did. There are essentially 2 basic types of cuboid syndrome and I do not believe that this has been adequately addressed in the literature. For convenience I am going to name one type a Type I and the other Type II.
Type I. Can be symptomatic or asymptomatic. It responds beautifully to a manipulation of the cuboid and the cuboid alone. If painful, the pain resolves very quickly and the treatment is repeated 1 or 2 times. Client and clinician are both happy. Recovery is quick. Basically the cuboid fixation is the key lesion in the foot and ankle complex and restoring mobility directly to the cuboid makes for significant improvement. Sometimes there is a pattern that appears to involve several other structures in the foot and ankle, yet the manipulation performed only at the cuboid is almost magical. Retesting the other motion fixations reveals that they are also remarkably improved and they do not require treatment. I affectionately refer to the cuboid as 1/2 of a keystone - and I do this metaphorically. It is very helpful to have a foot and ankle model that includes the whole foot and a short portion of the distal tibia and fibula, of course talus and calcaneus included. Take apart the joint leaving the forefoot, the cuneoforms, the navicular and the cuboid as one and the talus and calcaneus are seperate as is the distal tibia and fibula. It is so helpful to learning. You can put the pieces together and observe how the bones interact. It should be easy to perceive how the cuboid is "out there by itself" being most lateral and it is easy to see how it could be elevated and remain stuck in an inversion injury.
The cuboid can be palpated and compared to the unaffected side. Typically it is more prominent on the painful side and inferior glide spring testing and "pronatory" spring testing reveal fixation. I do not believe that onecan accurately perform a superior glide spring test due to thickness of the thickness of the soft tissue on the plantar surface of the foot. The typical manipulation appears to enhance the lesion - yet gap the joint and I believe that it recoils back to normal position. I prefer to mobilize it with progressive inferior glide and medial rotation mobilization.
Now a description of what I conveniently refer to as Type II. This can be symptomatic or asymptomatic, with all grades in between from acute to chronic. The difference is that a supinatory pattern of the foot and ankle complex has set in and efforts to mobilize only the cuboid will fail miserable, will not provide that quick fix. Instead, you have to treat all major articulations and this is where we get into some controversy. (Actually the direction in which I describe it re position and mobilization is contrary to most if not all of the literature-so here is more controversy). I find restrictions and restore mobility in the following directions:
posterior glide of the talus - the method also mobilized the calcaneus anteriorly at the same time
+ or - posterior glide of distal tibia
internal rotation of the talus
posterior glide of the distal malleolus
+ - ant or post glide of fibular head
superior glide of the fibula (not described in the literature, but indeed a seperate accessory motion - great research project)
inferior glide and medial rotation of the navicular and then incorporating the cunieoforms
inferior glide and medial rotation to the cuboid
At this point one will typically note that the calcaneus still has restricted eversion and abduction and the secret to restoring valgus (ultimately to restore normal pronation) is actually to mobilize the above sequence and then the calcaneus 30x into abduction and the valgus is then restored automatically without directly performing a valgus/eversion force. the abduction is the key - of course, after the above sequence. I think that I might be one of the first to namethe abduction - I just stumbled on it many years ago - but spank me if I am wrong.
Sometimesbefore the final mob to the calcaneus I will evaluate and treat if needed, medial glide to the talus working through the distal fibula and just below it as well.
After all of the above I go into a weight-bearing context and adress those motions that I can - if I find them to be restricted in weight bearing such as distal tibia rotation, calcaneal valgus, etc. I teach the client to internally rotate from hip down to distal tibia and gentley repeatedly self-mobilize into pronation 30-100 reps.
There are other flavors in which there is enough laxity in the ligaments that the above is not effective, fortunatley these are in the minority and I am not referrring to this sub-population is this commentary.
there is a great need for more research on the above topic and I think that our profession does not typically look at structures as patterns of motion dysfunction the cuboid syndrome a perfect example in which only 1 mobilization is described. After restoring normal motion, stability, strength, blance, endurance, proprioception, etc it is very appropriate to look up the kinetic chain and find out where the body has adapted or compensated for this pattern and treat what you find. Typically I end up treating the pelvis/SI and upper cervical spine, though if the pattern iis not chronic; the compensation may reflexively resolvewith no direct effort on my part.
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A perfect example of over-complicating a simple problem. Most of that is nonsense IMO. As I said, Brukner and Khan spell it out well and simply.
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Does anyone else find the symptoms associated with "subluxed cuboid" in patients with chronic plantar fasciitis?

that sounds a little like baxter's?!
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Does anyone else find the symptoms associated with "subluxed cuboid" in patients with chronic plantar fasciitis?
Maybe both caused by the same thing (ie one of the windlass dysfunctions)
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I would agree with Craig...
here is an "aside" story.

3 years ago Nova Scotia was hit with a class 3 hurricane (Juan) and my fair city of Halifax took it square on the chin (110 mile per hour winds) THe day before the surf was quite spectacular. At a local beach many were body surfing...my kids and I went out to watch. I went in to catch a few waves. One wave tumbled me topsy turvey and I did not know know which end was up. I was quite literally tossed/slammed onto the sand much like a ragdoll. I got out thinking that was quite enough: one could get killed!. The next morning after the city was very much trashed, my right foot had symptoms of plantar fasciitis which I have never had in that foot before. I also noted that associated with the pain on midstance and heel off there was a very specific reducation/limitation in subtalar motion. The pain increased very quickly so I literally sat down on the sidewalk and mobed my right subtalr joint. Bingo! It snapped and there was an instant flooding of relief in my foot whereby the heel pain disappeared with the snap. I have not had it since.

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There are those of us who believe that a "subluxed cuboid" might actually be a figment of clinician's imaginations, since a "subluxed cuboid" has never been shown to be present on plain film radiograph, CT or MRI scan, to my knowledge. In fact, the symptoms generally described as being due to a "subluxed cuboid" are more likely due to impingement in a virtually unknown structure within the human foot, the labrum of the calcaneo-cuboid joint."

Kevin, I have seen many plantarflexed cuboids in my time on lateral weight bearing X-rays so this could be the jamming mechanism you describe. I firmly believe cuboid's sublux. I have managed this treatment with manipulation of the CC jt, and if the pain contains, a nice simple Feehry extension under the cuboid and a long extrinsic Denton extension under the 5th ray works great.
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There are those of us who believe that a "subluxed cuboid" might actually be a figment of clinician's imaginations, since a "subluxed cuboid" has never been shown to be present on plain film radiograph, CT or MRI scan, to my knowledge. In fact, the symptoms generally described as being due to a "subluxed cuboid" are more likely due to impingement in a virtually unknown structure within the human foot, the labrum of the calcaneo-cuboid joint."

Kevin, I have seen many plantarflexed cuboids in my time on lateral weight bearing X-rays so this could be the jamming mechanism you describe. I firmly believe cuboid's sublux. I have managed this treatment with manipulation of the CC jt, and if the pain contains, a nice simple Feehry extension under the cuboid and a long extrinsic Denton extension under the 5th ray works great.
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Please provide us with a photo of the radiograph of one of the many plantarflexed cuboids that you have seen in your time so that we may all be educated as to what this looks like on a lateral weightbearing radiograph. It would also be nice if you could provide us with a "post-manipulation" radiograph for comparison so that we all can see the difference in the orientation of the cuboid between pre and post manipulation.
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Kevin,

I see that you are sceptical, i have no access to X-ray a patient after a manipulation so i cannot provide evidence of post-manipulation cuboid position. My X-rays are mainly taken to try and discern biomechanical abnormalities of the foot. A manipulated cuboid may be in a "corrected" position during a non-weight bearing manipulation, but surely as soon as the patient weight bears the cuboids function will change, thus it's going to be a different position (simple mechanical loading of the lateral column). So, what can I prove if i take an X-ray after a manipulation, NOTHING!!! The cuboid has changed place, I may be able to prove the cuboid isn't as subluxed as it was, so in theory manipulation may work, but what factor caused the cuboid to sublux in the 1st place?

As in any diagnostic situation you have to find out what causes the CCjt to dysfunction, as you stated :-

"In fact, the symptoms generally described as being due to a "subluxed cuboid" are more likely due to impingement in a virtually unknown structure within the human foot, the labrum of the calcaneo-cuboid joint."

These impingements are listed elsewhere in this thread. My general rule of thumb is that if a object of some description has been dropped on the foot then the CCJT may become displaced in a plantarflexed position, and lets say a patient steps onto an object then the CCjt may become displaced in a dorsiflexed position. Treatment is dependent upon each individuals case and a variety of the treatments proposed in this thread may be used.
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I see that you are sceptical, i have no access to X-ray a patient after a manipulation so i cannot provide evidence of post-manipulation cuboid position. My X-rays are mainly taken to try and discern biomechanical abnormalities of the foot. A manipulated cuboid may be in a "corrected" position during a non-weight bearing manipulation, but surely as soon as the patient weight bears the cuboids function will change, thus it's going to be a different position (simple mechanical loading of the lateral column). So, what can I prove if i take an X-ray after a manipulation, NOTHING!!! The cuboid has changed place, I may be able to prove the cuboid isn't as subluxed as it was, so in theory manipulation may work, but what factor caused the cuboid to sublux in the 1st place?

As in any diagnostic situation you have to find out what causes the CCjt to dysfunction, as you stated :-

"In fact, the symptoms generally described as being due to a "subluxed cuboid" are more likely due to impingement in a virtually unknown structure within the human foot, the labrum of the calcaneo-cuboid joint."

These impingements are listed elsewhere in this thread. My general rule of thumb is that if a object of some description has been dropped on the foot then the CCJT may become displaced in a plantarflexed position, and lets say a patient steps onto an object then the CCjt may become displaced in a dorsiflexed position. Treatment is dependent upon each individuals case and a variety of the treatments proposed in this thread may be used.
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Yes I am skeptical. However, since you made the statement earlier, "I have seen many plantarflexed cuboids in my time on lateral weight bearing X-rays so this could be the jamming mechanism you describe. I firmly believe cuboid's sublux.", then I thought I would provide you the opportunity to show us what radiographic findings you use to determine that a cuboid is "plantarflexed". I am simply asking you how what objective criteria you use when assessing a lateral radiograph that a cuboid is "plantarflexed". If you can't provide this criteria or can't provide evidence of some change pre and post manipulation in cuboid joint position, then how do you know the cuboid is plantarflexed abnormally?

Here is what I said earlier in this thread:

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"There are those of us who believe that a "subluxed cuboid" might actually be a figment of clinician's imaginations, since a "subluxed cuboid" has never been shown to be present on plain film radiograph, CT or MRI scan, to my knowledge. In fact, the symptoms generally described as being due to a "subluxed cuboid" are more likely due to impingement in a virtually unknown structure within the human foot, the labrum of the calcaneo-cuboid joint."
Do you disagree with the above statement?
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Maybe it's "subluxed" in the same way as the bones that Chiropractors see are "subluxed".
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Perhaps it is unfortunate that, as the manipulation for this works so well, it has become called 'Cuboid subluxation' when perhaps the more appropriate term should be 'Cuboid syndrome'.
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It has been interesting to read the terminology debate as it is something I deal with quite a bit, both with colleagues and patients. The term subluxation is used by some chiropractors to describe changes in the spine and other joints. For those who use the term subluxation (latin root luxa or displace) it does not connote an actual change in position of the joint. It is a sub dislocation if you will. For me, the term subluxation is really clinically irrelevent, for how can you treat a sub problem?

I tend to look at things from a motion perspective. Is the cuboid moving as it should, or as the other one is? If it is not, then I manipulate it to induce motion, not to put it back in place. I like the term cuboid syndrome, but when I describe it to patients it's just plain stuck. From the sounds of it, I would manipulate things similarly to the others in this thread.

Even as one who prides himself on manipulation for specific joint restrictions in very specific planes of anatomical motion, I must agree that the physio thread copied above does really seem to make a bit of a mess out of a fairly simple problem.

So while I don't agree that this problem is a figment of the clincian's imagination, I would also suggest that manipulation may not solve all of these. Kevin's article from Hollander pointed out why. As for a plantar fasciitis correlation, I do find that manipulation of this joint helps in a lot of cases, however I would very rarely only manipulate the cuboid by itself. I would suggest that the correlation may be explained by the long plantar ligament's attachment to the cuboid and the plantar aspect of the calcaneus, possibly mimicking heel pain. Its relationship to the peroneus longus tendon may also explain why peroneus myofascial work and stretching seems to help alleviate the pain in some of these cases.

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StuCurrie,
Subluxed literally means sub "under" & lux "light" (not displace ). Look it up. Your use of the term subluxation doesn't jive with the real meaning. You first paragraph just doesn't make sense to me. "sub dislocation"?
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. So while I don't agree that this problem is a figment of the clincian's imagination, I would also suggest that manipulation may not solve all of these. Kevin's article from Hollander pointed out why.
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"There are those of us who believe that a "subluxed cuboid" might actually be a figment of clinician's imaginations, since a "subluxed cuboid" has never been shown to be present on plain film radiograph, CT or MRI scan, to my knowledge. In fact, the symptoms generally described as being due to a "subluxed cuboid" are more likely due to impingement in a virtually unknown structure within the human foot, the labrum of the calcaneo-cuboid joint."
I did not say that pain in the calcaneo-cuboid joint (what you call cuboid syndrome) is a figment of a clinician's imagination but that a "subluxed cuboid" is a figment of a clinician's imagination. Do you believe that the cuboid actually is "subluxed" or not aligned correctly in these patients?
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