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And they wonder why the US is among the most obese countries in the world.

Discussion in 'Break Room' started by Orthican, Nov 22, 2011.

  1. Orthican

    Orthican Active Member

  2. Lisa L

    Lisa L Member

    Can't wait to see man vs food take on that one...
     
  3. Catfoot

    Catfoot Well-Known Member

    All,
    Has anyone else noticed that the burger doesn't appear to be properly cooked in the middle? Looks a bit pink to me !

    regards

    Catfoot
     
  4. It'll be fine so long as the beef was fresh. I prefer my bovine meat that way. Nothing a good vet couldn't revive.
     
  5. RobinP

    RobinP Well-Known Member

    Pull off the horns and wipe it's @rse.
     
  6. Orthican

    Orthican Active Member

    More of a medium rare man myself.
     
  7. I'd say from the amount of good posts you've made on biomechanics, rare is more accurate. ;)
     
  8. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Then there is the "Heart Attack Grill" (yes, it's actually called that). The following CBS report gives you an idea...



    The restaurant's spokesperson died earlier this year... at the ripe old age of 29... Heart Attack Grill giant dead at 29 .

    On a more enlightening note. Obesity is also a real problem for Australia & the U.K, with an epidemic of associated diseases... costing the U.S, Australia & U.K billions of dollars in health care (greater than military budgets) - yet there is a cheap & natural cure!

    The sooner this world goes on a whole-food plant based diet the better. Most, if not all degenerative diseases would be prevented, reversed/cured by abstaining from the now common animal-based, processed food diet (not to mention the benefits it would also have on the world economy & environment... as well as the animals).

    Being that we are in the business of treating people with degenerative diseases (particularly conditions associated with type 2 diabetes) we all should be aware of a more natural & effective process of treatment which addresses the cause & not just the symptoms.

    A plant based diet (i.e. vegan diet) has had far better success on conditions like cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes & several forms of cancer than the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry has had... with results backed by scientific/medical research. There has also been research on the impact of the whole-food plant based diet in the regression of diabetic neuropathy (have been interested in Dr Neal Barnard's work).

    The food a lot of people are eating is killing them, or at the least making them unwell (with the array of associated problems associated with a compromised immune system). However, food can also be our medicine... after all, as Socrates once said "Let food be your medicine & medicine be your food".

    This is unfortunately a controversial topic - it shouldn't be, but it is :craig: Why, because the influence the meat, dairy & pharmaceutical industry has on governments. There has also been the repression of information & the academic discrimination of scientists/research in this area - reminds me of another topic/area which faces the same debasing conduct :bang: .
     
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  9. Orthican

    Orthican Active Member

    It's definetly contraversial. But then most things that effect our health usually are for some reason. We can seem to always come to agreements on things like tires, bolt strength, and other non essential type information, but our well bieng is a hot button to be sure.
     
  10. Actually, the latest scientific studies have now shown that there is no obesity epidemic within the United States. Rather, the magnetic flux generator within the Earth's core, located directly under Kansas, near the Yellow Brick Road (and Toto) has been strengthened by recent seismic events to the point that there is now a gravitational acceleration of 11.5 m/sec^2 within the US, rather than the gravitational acceleration on the rest of the Earth's surface of 9.8 m/sec^2. As a result, we Americans just seem to have more weight when, in reality, we only have a hyper-intense gravitational acceleration within the United States. In this way, we can continue to deny that it is any of our own faults that we weigh more and are fatter than the people from other countries......rather,and in true American fashion, we are now able to place blame on something else causing the problems with ourselves and our country......it is the Earth's fault that Americans are Fat!!:rolleyes:
     
  11. In a similar vein......

    I subscribe to about four different "women's magazines" for my office......you know the one's that always have a headline about the latest and greatest diet on their front cover?

    I just wish that instead of all the latest blah-blah-blah within these magazines about how to lose weight by the newest fad diet, these magazines contained just one article written with only five words in big,bold letters that would very succincty describe how to end the obesity epidemic in America.....

    Eat Less and Exercise More!!:wacko::cool::rolleyes:
     
  12. Orthican

    Orthican Active Member





    Ditto Darth!...

    Although your explanation of gravitational intensity in the US does makes sense from a congressional point of view I have a different slant. After all ...with the increased mass there I'm sure it has created it's own gravity well .:eek:....

    As far as the ladies reading about the diets I have a newly developed placeboscope that will eliminate the need for dieting completely! Simple passes over the abdomen and thighs with the gert ray pulse emitter will melt away the inches ...guaranteed to work wonders or your money back!
     
  13. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    True.

    Controversial because federal policies & government subsidies are not influenced by the true/sincere/empirical science for healthy human nutrition, but by financial incentives via government contracts going to the livestock (meat & dairy) industry (industry members of which who are in roles/boards dictating the nutritional requirements of the population). Hence, unfortunately, it has very little to do with the health of the population but financial health... for those in the associated industries who stand to benefit from our consumption, addictions & subsequent un-wellness.

    Dr Colin Campbell (researcher & author behind the now famous book - The China Study) has paid the price via academic discrimination for stating views contrary to that of his own university due to key administrators/directors having industry ties i.e. to the Dairy Association.

    What is the most popular prescribed drug in the world (greater than Viagra)... it's a Statin (cholesterol reducing Mx.) - Lipitor - probably making Pfizer millions, if not billions of dollars. Does 99% of the users of Lipitor need this to reduce their cholesterol - certainly not - there is a far more conducive economical, environmental, natural & healthier way to address the problem - cut out all animal based products & replace it with plant based foods.

    The thing is, there is very little money in healthy people & of course there is no money in dead people... the money is in the people who are alive but living sick - living with obesity, hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, cancer... predominantly the result of poor diet & lifestyle choices. The answer is not another pill (i.e. Lipitor), the answer lies within plant based whole-foods & an active physical lifestyle.

    Some may say the vegan lifestyle is extreme but I feel the diseases & implications associated with eating an animal & processed food based diet is extreme i.e. having your chest cut open & having a bypass placed on the heart - just to name one.

    Some may say we need animal based foods for the likes of adequate protein & calcium. Yet, the science states the opposite. Animal protein is dangerous (i.e. shown to increase tumour/cancer growths). We need to replace animal protein with plant based protein from whole foods.

    Let's look at the case with calcium & osteoporosis. Nations with high consumption of dairy (deemed a major source of calcium in the western world) should have a low case of osteoporosis. However, nations with high level dairy consumption & deemed calcium intake (i.e. Sweden, New Zealand, U.S) also have the highest level of hip fractures which is the key indicator of osteoporosis - the exact opposite to what the dairy industry would have us believe. Why? In short, animal protein creates an acid like condition in the body known as metabolic acidosis. To combat this, the body draws on the most readily available acid buffer - calcium - extracted from the bones to neutralize the excess acid - hence, weakened bones. As Podiatrists we no doubt are aware of the implications osteoporosis has on the treatment & future health of our patients.

    Diabetic neuropathy is also a big problem & once again has implications on our treatment & the health of our patients. I have a few patients with diabetic neuropathy & subsequently have been associated with drug research for this condition (three from memory) - all were cut short due to adverse side effects. There looks to be a far better way to address the treatment - a natural way, no side effects, cheaper, food based... & the research is revealing that the plant based diet is contributing to a regression of the disease.

    Thomas Edison wrote... "The doctor of the future will no longer treat the human frame with drugs, but rather will cure & prevent disease with nutrition". This may one day be true... if we follow where the evidence leads.
     
  14. I shared an office with a vegan for many years. He appeared to live mainly on brown rice and lentils.

    The things which happened in the toilet were most definately NOT healthy. Years on I still find myself doing involuntary Col. Kurtz impressions.

    The horror...

    With all respect to the vegan way, and I remain unconvinced that its all that natural or healthy, I would hate to pass up on all the tastiest foods then get hit by a bus!

    The average life expectancy in the US and UK is somwhere around the late 70s early 80s, and thats with people eating like hogs. I think I'd rather spend the next 30 years enjoying food, taking statins, and cark it at 70 rather than eat rabbit food, make my body a temple and drag on to 90.

    I'd rather have a lower survival expectancy and a higher life expectancy than vice versa. And if that means taking kemikul drugs to counteract the Balvennie and KFC then I'm happy to make the drug companies rich!

    Depends on the question. Mine is "how can gain the maximum possible enjoyment out of food and still have a sporting chance of seeing 70". In which case plant based whole foods are emphatically NOT the answer. I'd rather chew my own arm off.
     
  15. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Hi Robo ;),
    As I'm sure you can no doubt understand, I have no interest in the bowel movements of your so called vegan office mate - particularly be in the position to assess the health of it. I focus on the facts that are supported via scientific/medical research... & of course the results I have experienced myself & those I'm in association with. BTW, all is well with my toilet visits, but by crikey I can tell a story or two about others... which will serve little purpose here - wouldn't it?

    Hmmm... from my assessment of the bus situation; I have found that I am far quicker, agile & more alert than your average bus leaping pedestrian. I have not been hit once :rolleyes:.

    It's all about quality of life Rob, which many just don't seem to understand. Are you also aware that smokers can live to 70, 80, 90 & sometimes beyond... see where the logic goes. Do you smoke? Why, why not? Not to mention the affects the animal-based diet has on the health care system, economy, taxes/premiums, environment, animal welfare etc... It's not just about us/you - but the biosphere in which we all must share together. [What we need is a sister planet - just for vegans... oops, sorry... that trail of thought will take us way off topic]

    Besides, your taste buds will unlikely appreciate the taste & texture of plants based whole-foods as they have become conditioned to the high fat, high salt, over stimulant (i.e. MSG derivatives) content of animal based products & processed foods. Dare I say, you will naturally gravitate to where your addiction lies... whether that be food, drink (i.e. coffee) or drugs.

    I don't get this - conflict of scenarios. Plenty of research has documented that the dietary habits you appear to be advocating reveal a tendency to lower survival expectancy & subsequent lower life expectancy.

    I don't get this either (the logic that is)... many reasons of which I don't have time to elaborate on. BTW, do you actually eat KFC?

    You obviously have different goals to what I have Rob... & I dare not comment (be seen critiquing) on your goals & the decisions you are entitled to make regarding your own life. Some people can take issues of this nature too personally & invoke the "how dare you... " attitude... not to mention the moral issues. However, it does bother me when I have to pay for the consequences of others lifestyle choices in some way or form via an array of avenues.

    Anyway Rob, I'm entitled to my views & you are entitled to yours. I state mine (as controversial they may appear in this day & age) because I sincerely believe it to be true & more conducive to human well-being... as well better fits the science/research released thus far & foretell in the future. You seem to base your reasoning primarily on pleasure of the senses, which I can understand.

    I sincerely wish you the best in health Rob & hope you surpass your goal of 70 years of age :drinks (that be fruit smoothies, as alcohol is a class 1 carcinogen :D).
     
  16. Thats a releif.

    And again! I'm not so nimble as I used to be so you never know...


    Yes, I'm aware. No I don't smoke any more. Because the relative risk is too high, and the down sides of smoking are rather too immediate for my taste. Standing out in the cold, the lung capacity of a 4 year old, coughing up hunks of lung and such.

    I don't believe that the risks of eating meat are quite the same as smoking...

    My taste buds and I are in complete agreement then. And that paragraph made me quite hungry by the way. Damn you, its hours till dinner time.

    Apparently not. I was attempting to make the point that "life" and "survival" are not the same thing. If whole plant foods float your boat then more power too you! But as you rightly say, my tastebuds are not so conditioned to the good life. I don't mind if my steak shortens my life by 10 minutes if it takes me 20 minutes to eat it. Less survival expectancy, but more pleasure while I AM here. Geddit?

    Only if I can't get hold of Donor kebab. You're making me hungry again.

    Ah yes, the pleasures of the flesh. I believe in the great herafter. I believe I'd live longer and be healthier if I ate the occasional green thing. I believe that alcahol probably is a carcinogen and is certainly a risk factor for having a splitting headache. I believe many things.

    But I KNOW that if I eat a wicked zinger meal, or drink a nice single malt at the end of the day, I will get physical pleasure from it. And I'm willing to trade on what I know rather than what I believe.

    But as I say, if your physical pleasure is from a feeling of wellbeing and health then good for you! And I apologise on behalf of my people for ruining your planet ;)
     
  17. since you brought up smoking...

     
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  18. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    I am glad you have stopped smoking - really I am.

    This is true... possibly... but then you see we also have the issue of biomagnification i.e. the accumulation of toxins (i.e. mercury, DDT etc...) in food sources higher up the food chain - particularly in animal fats. I believe this to be one of the causative factors behind the degree of cancers present i.e. breast, prostate, liver, brain.

    Well I'm glad you don't eat between meals then ;).


    Hmmm, it didn't seem like you were... "attempting to make the point that "life" and "survival" are not the same thing". Besides, I know that... I didn't think that was in question here (straw man by any chance?). Anyway, both can reflect each other.


    I see. However, what is "what I know" based on?... & what is "what I believe" based on?

    Well, it's more than just physical but also entails emotional/psychological.

    Now, now Rob... I know your probably just kidding around, but I didn't allude in any way that you (& your people - whoever they may be) has ruined my planet (red herring per chance). I said it is ours to share based on the context that the issues associated with diet/lifestyle choices just doesn't involve us/you only - but the community at large... all within the biosphere. Anyway, apology accepted :D.

    Oh yes, I really have no interest whatsoever hearing the views of Bill Hicks work himself up to a frenzy to justify his smoking addiction (I bet he's on hypertension & statin mx.). I much rather take notice of a couple of droids who seem to embody humanity & common sense far more effectively than Mr Hicks...



    Our friends in a galaxy far, far away has also shown us the adverse effects of alcohol...



    A reliable resource has informed me that Luke, Han, Obi-Wan & Yoda were vegan. Anakin was but then...
     
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  19. Actually no, he's not taking any medication of any kind!

    And I can't pass up an oppertunity to get in a plug for one of my favourite adverts ever.



    Be warned, it has words.

    Well, just one. but he uses it a lot.
     
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  20. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Yes, I see your point (in present context) - as he is no longer living. Bill Hicks was diagnosed with liver cancer in 1993 at age 31, which spread to his pancreas & subsequently passed away at 32 years of age. Young, isn't it? I wonder what caused the cancer? BTW, I have no doubt he was on medication of some kind whilst he was alive (which was the gist of my point).
     
  21. blinda

    blinda MVP

    Talking of meds; They lie about marijuana. They tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do just as well – you just realize that it's not worth the effort. - Hicks, Revelations 1993
     
  22. And on the day he died, Justin Beiber was born.

    Not a fair trade really.

    You're right of course. But the point is, while you can make observations about what is good for a body, its my body (such as it is). And its faintly annoying when people start talking in general terms about what "we" should be doing, what the "best" way is, and how drs should be treating us by using food as medicine it strikes fear into my (probably quite congested) heart. We have few enough freedoms in this sanitized world, the freedom to eat large slabs of dead but still bleeding cow, and not to be made to feel guilty about it is one of the last!

    Leave it be. Keep your body in trim. Give people who want / need it the benefit as well. But please, don't say what is best for all of us, or what is the "right" way to live. Its different, not better. :drinks: Smoothy chink.

    I like smoothies anyway.

    And also Mcdonalds milkshake.

    Which I'm told is mainly comprised of chicken fat.

    But which tastes SO good from the drive through after a long clinic.

    I Like Chicken. I like banana. So if they've found a way to make them work together, then i'll have a large one.
     
  23. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    This is true - it is your choice. From my perspective I would like to see people make a more positive choice as far as their health is concerned. I don't really know you Rob & we live on opposite ends of the world, so I don't personally stand to gain anything from whatever choice you make. However, maybe myself & Podiatry Arena (at least) would like to have your wit, charm & wisdom for an extra 1, 5 or maybe 10 extra years.

    My initial intention was certainly not to preach the health message. Just to state some facts pertaining to the thread, diet & its affect on health (& a few other areas). But you know how forums go... I post something, you respond, I respond to you... & before we know it we have videos of Bill Hicks, C3PO & R2D2 on an obesity related thread. You have to laugh sometimes on the manner in which some threads (dare I say it) evolve.

    Yes Rob, I know what you mean... yet sometimes it can be a wee bit more than just "faintly annoying" (I've had diet discussions within my own clan - phew!). I also find it "faintly annoying" when I get bombarded with people telling me how my ancestors apparently evolved (& boy, is that one a hot potato :rolleyes:).

    Once again, I had no intentions making anyone feel guilty. Just wanted to share some info that some may not have heard of or may not have considered - some may even find it interesting.


    A chicken/banana hybrid... hmmm... now I don't want to speak on behalf of the Creator but I think that is beyond the scope of the genetic engineering required for the two genomes in question.

    How about you get a piece of wire, bend it to reflect the curvature of the banana, skew the banana with your wire, brush honey on the banana & then sprinkle chicken seasoning over it, or dip it in the chicken seasoning. It's worth a try :eek:.

    All the best.
     
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