Home Forums Marketplace Table of Contents Events Member List Site Map Register Mark Forums Read



Welcome to the Podiatry Arena forums, for communication between foot health professionals about podiatry and related topics.

You are currently viewing our podiatry forum as a guest which gives you limited access to view all podiatry discussions and access our other features. By joining our free global community of Podiatrists and other interested foot health care professionals you will have access to post podiatry topics (answer and ask questions), communicate privately with other members (PM), upload content, view attachments, receive a weekly email update of new discussions, earn CPD points and access many other special features. Registered users do not get displayed the advertisments in posted messages. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our global Podiatry community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Tags: , ,

The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Reply
Submit Thread >  Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Google Submit to Yahoo! This Submit to Technorati Submit to StumbleUpon Submit to Spurl Submit to Netscape  < Submit Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 14th July 2012, 01:15 AM
Phil3600 Phil3600 is offline
Senior Member
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 32
Join Date: Aug 2011
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Default The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Podiatry Arena members do not see these ads
Just thought I'd let people know about a documentary coming up on BBC 1 next Thursday at 8pm. It investigates the claims of sports companies about their products and there will be something on there about running shoes, bikes, supplements. Be interesting to see how it compares to what has been discussed on here recently.

Here is the link below giving a bit more detail. It will be on BBC iplayer for a week after but I'm not sure if that works outside the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l1yxk

Thanks
Phil
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 19th July 2012, 07:14 PM
Craig Payne's Avatar
Craig Payne Craig Payne is offline
Moderator
Professor of Life, The Universe and Everything
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,050
Join Date: Aug 2004
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 64
Thanked 615 Times in 421 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

The BBC have put up the video:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l1yxk

Ironically, I found out they had put it up due to a couple of tweets I picked up from those bragging about the comments in the show about the lack of evidence for running shoes! ..... funny how they like to promote barefoot when it has no more evidence for it than running shoes ... oh the hypocrisy of their message!
__________________
Craig Payne
__________________________________________________ ___________________________________
Follow me on Twitter | Run Junkie
God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things - right now I am so far behind, I will never die.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Craig Payne For This Useful Post:
lucycool (19th July 2012)
  #3  
Old 19th July 2012, 10:04 PM
BEN-HUR's Avatar
BEN-HUR BEN-HUR is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 366
Join Date: Sep 2007
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 63
Thanked 69 Times in 50 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Here is an Australian take on the research/story/documentary... Calorie count in sports drinks could undo exercise gain.
__________________
- alias: Matthew Thomas - Podiatrist.
Back On Track Podiatry.

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift": Steve Prefontaine.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 20th July 2012, 12:06 AM
CEM's Avatar
CEM CEM is offline
Senior Member
 
About:
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Bicester, Near Oxford UK
Posts: 94
Join Date: Jan 2005
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

it's panorama, a great program at trying to disprove things without actually proving the counter argument

and as for the actual barefoot on the pavement without any shoes at all minimalistic or otherwise....how many injuries would be caused!
__________________
ski boots, running shoes and other stuff like that@solutions 4 feet
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 20th July 2012, 02:09 AM
AlanCawthorne AlanCawthorne is offline
Podiatry Arena Rookie
 
About:
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 3
Join Date: Oct 2010
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Barefoot running - Sponsored by Elastoplast!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 20th July 2012, 07:52 AM
Phil3600 Phil3600 is offline
Senior Member
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 32
Join Date: Aug 2011
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

I've seen parts of it on my iphone but need to have a proper watch later. However, I've had 2 patients telling me they saw the programme and running shoes aren't good for the feet. I don't remember hearing that bit I just though they focused on lack of evidence to support the reduction in injury claims.

Maybe I should tell them to wear high heels. They may get back pain but they may also get a cheeky pay out for their efforts as this lady did.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-18923865
Thread Starter
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 20th July 2012, 08:32 AM
wdd wdd is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: france
Posts: 211
Join Date: Aug 2009
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 11
Thanked 35 Times in 29 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Whatever the pros and cons of barefoot running would it not be a good idea if those interested in trying barefoot running started with barefoot walking?

I get the impression that barefoot runners take off their walking shoes to run. Maybe the barefoot running should come after six months of barefoot walking to allow the body/foot to adapt. Probably less risk of injury from barefoot walking than barefoot running.

Unfortunately, apart from on beaches, neither barefoot walking or barefoot running looks too 'sick' (awesome, brilliant) and is more likely to be associated, by the observer, with dire poverty, some undesireable mental state and probably more accurately dirty feet. Even more problematic is the current lack of direct commercial opportunity. OK there is money to be made from treating the injuries of barefooters but what about products? As we all know treatments make a living but products make wealth.

May I propose the pedale quadrikini. The minimum of minimal footwear the pedale quarikini consists of a four part jointed EVA sole which is adhered to the plantar aspect using a medium soft skin adhesive. One section is adhered to plantar aspect of the toes. The second section is adhered to the forefoot. The third section is adhered to the mid section of the foot and the final section is adhered to the heel.

For those who find the quadrikini just too revealing how about the foot hugging pedale condom. thickened on one side to form an outer sole the pedale condom guarantees hours of risk free leisure pleasure.

The serious question in this posting is why do I hear so much about barefoot running and so little about barefoot walking?

Bill
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 20th July 2012, 09:03 AM
Simon Spooner's Avatar
Simon Spooner Simon Spooner is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: "I'm sick of flags - whatever colour. There's only one flag - the white flag.": Paul Hewson
Posts: 7,163
Join Date: Aug 2005
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 346
Thanked 860 Times in 638 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdd View Post
Whatever the pros and cons of barefoot running would it not be a good idea if those interested in trying barefoot running started with barefoot walking?

I get the impression that barefoot runners take off their walking shoes to run. Maybe the barefoot running should come after six months of barefoot walking to allow the body/foot to adapt. Probably less risk of injury from barefoot walking than barefoot running.

Unfortunately, apart from on beaches, neither barefoot walking or barefoot running looks too 'sick' (awesome, brilliant) and is more likely to be associated, by the observer, with dire poverty, some undesireable mental state and probably more accurately dirty feet. Even more problematic is the current lack of direct commercial opportunity. OK there is money to be made from treating the injuries of barefooters but what about products? As we all know treatments make a living but products make wealth.

May I propose the pedale quadrikini. The minimum of minimal footwear the pedale quarikini consists of a four part jointed EVA sole which is adhered to the plantar aspect using a medium soft skin adhesive. One section is adhered to plantar aspect of the toes. The second section is adhered to the forefoot. The third section is adhered to the mid section of the foot and the final section is adhered to the heel.

For those who find the quadrikini just too revealing how about the foot hugging pedale condom. thickened on one side to form an outer sole the pedale condom guarantees hours of risk free leisure pleasure.

The serious question in this posting is why do I hear so much about barefoot running and so little about barefoot walking?

Bill
I'm afraid your idea for the "quadrikini" has already been done.... I'm sure someone will linky you to it. It was basically pads you stick on your feet as you describe.
__________________
Who? What? When? Why? Yeah? And? So? What?

"My mission drive is to open up my eyes, 'cause the wicked lies and all the sh!te you say..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4NW5S1UTPQ

"Science is the antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition."
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 20th July 2012, 10:22 AM
RobinP's Avatar
RobinP RobinP is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Isle of Man UK
Posts: 1,267
Join Date: Dec 2009
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 132
Thanked 247 Times in 187 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Spooner View Post
I'm afraid your idea for the "quadrikini" has already been done.... I'm sure someone will linky you to it. It was basically pads you stick on your feet as you describe.
If I remember correctly, it was running a close second to spray painting the bottom of your feet to get really close to barefoot running
__________________
I see you girls checkin' out my trunks
I see you girls checkin' out the front of my trunks
I see you girls lookin' at my junk, then checkin' out my rump, then back to my sugarlumps
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 20th July 2012, 10:42 AM
Robertisaacs's Avatar
Robertisaacs Robertisaacs is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Kent
Posts: 4,177
Join Date: May 2006
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 420
Thanked 835 Times in 495 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

I thought it was a reasonably program. It DID point out that there is no evidence for barefoot running.

The only bit which made me shout at the TV was when they showed Nigg explaining how impact reduction in shoes does not necessarily protect from injury (fair enough) then in the counter argument showed Irene Davis waxing about how much less impact there was in barefoot running.

Can't have it both ways.
__________________
Robert Isaacs
Specialist in Biomechanical Therapies
www.Footprintspodiatrysolutions.co.uk

small, yellow, leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the universe

Semper in excretum sum sed alta variat
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 20th July 2012, 03:33 PM
Sicknote Sicknote is offline
Senior Member
 
About:
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 154
Join Date: Jul 2011
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 63
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Loaded with 8 teaspoons of one of the most destructive substances for the human body.

My Lord.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 21st July 2012, 02:37 AM
wdd wdd is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: france
Posts: 211
Join Date: Aug 2009
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 11
Thanked 35 Times in 29 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Spooner View Post
I'm afraid your idea for the "quadrikini" has already been done.... I'm sure someone will linky you to it. It was basically pads you stick on your feet as you describe.
You win some you lose some.

While I was 'researching', the quadrikini, ie looking online for a convincing sounding adhesive I was struck by the apparently scientific advances in skin adhesives.

Stickology one way or another would seem relevant to podiatry? Is it a current area of intrest?

How do paraolympians keep their running aids in place? I assume its gone well beyond negative pressure and a bit of string or are all of the apparent developments in skin adhesives just smoke, mirrors and hype?

Are there adhesives which can be used, on a daily basis, to stick things to weightbearing areas of skin without eventual damage to the underlying area of skin?

Bill
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 21st July 2012, 02:49 AM
N.Knight N.Knight is offline
Senior Member
 
About:
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fareham
Posts: 88
Join Date: Dec 2007
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 6
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertisaacs View Post
I thought it was a reasonably program. It DID point out that there is no evidence for barefoot running.

The only bit which made me shout at the TV was when they showed Nigg explaining how impact reduction in shoes does not necessarily protect from injury (fair enough) then in the counter argument showed Irene Davis waxing about how much less impact there was in barefoot running.

Can't have it both ways.
I am glad that I was not the only one going mad at that point, so the bit on just change your running gait, like everyone can do it just like that. Only if that was easy
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 21st July 2012, 07:22 AM
Simon Spooner's Avatar
Simon Spooner Simon Spooner is offline
Podiatry Arena Veteran
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: "I'm sick of flags - whatever colour. There's only one flag - the white flag.": Paul Hewson
Posts: 7,163
Join Date: Aug 2005
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 346
Thanked 860 Times in 638 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Quote:
Originally Posted by N.Knight View Post
I am glad that I was not the only one going mad at that point, so the bit on just change your running gait, like everyone can do it just like that. Only if that was easy
I liked the bit where Lieberman said that when you run barefoot "there is no impact". Thanks Dan, what planet are you on?
__________________
Who? What? When? Why? Yeah? And? So? What?

"My mission drive is to open up my eyes, 'cause the wicked lies and all the sh!te you say..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4NW5S1UTPQ

"Science is the antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition."
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 24th July 2012, 05:20 AM
Pod on sea Pod on sea is offline
Senior Member
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 88
Join Date: Aug 2009
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 11
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertisaacs View Post
I thought it was a reasonably program. It DID point out that there is no evidence for barefoot running.

The only bit which made me shout at the TV was when they showed Nigg explaining how impact reduction in shoes does not necessarily protect from injury (fair enough) then in the counter argument showed Irene Davis waxing about how much less impact there was in barefoot running.

Can't have it both ways.
Irene Davis suggested that the GRF x time graph of the heel striker was 'bad' because it had two peaks rather than the clearly much better lovely smooth single peak of the forefoot striker. It's also a shame they didn't link back to Lieberman's 'no impact with barefoot running' comment by asking what the graphs showed. I think Nigg gave a balanced view, but his comments probably made less impression than Irene Davis with the visual of the treadmill running and computer showing the graphs.
I guess Joe Public will probably take it that science/a machine that goes ping was on the telly and proves that running shoes are bad and barefoot is best, which will keep us in business!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 31st July 2012, 08:25 AM
Sicknote Sicknote is offline
Senior Member
 
About:
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 154
Join Date: Jul 2011
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 63
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default Re: The Truth About Sports Products - Panorama BBC

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicknote View Post
Loaded with 8 teaspoons of one of the most destructive substances for the human body.
Sugary drinks lead to alterations in muscles similar to those in people with obesity problems and type 2 diabetes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...eyre-evil.html

Quote:
Doctors are in no doubt - the biggest danger from cola doesn’t come from the hidden additives, flavourings or colourings, but from sugar.
Quote:
Each regular can of cola contains eight teaspoons of sugar.
The same amount that energy drinks contain which athletes & runners alike consume.

Why do we experience so many foot injuries?. Sugar weakens the body, joints & bones.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Translate This Page

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Get the most from your skin care products: Sequence in which you apply skin care products influences their effectiveness RSSFeedBot Latest Dermatology News 0 19th June 2012 08:30 AM
Stretching: The Truth. Sicknote Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 17 16th January 2012 09:36 AM
The truth about colds RSSFeedBot Latest Top Health Care News Stories 0 16th February 2011 08:50 AM
Overpronation, The Truth Dieter Fellner Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 92 1st February 2011 09:41 AM
The Truth About Gyms RSSFeedBot Latest Sports Medicine News 0 11th December 2008 10:20 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

Finding your way around:

Browse the forums.

Search the site.

Browse the tags.

Search the tags.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:14 AM.