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The College of Minimal Invasive Foot & Ankle Surgery

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  1. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member


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    College of Minimally Invasive Foot and Ankle Surgery

    At the end of the thread on the debate about minimal incision surgery, this comment was made:
    A question was the then asked:
    ...without a response.

    I have not seen any official announcements yet, so I guess this is a Podiatry Arena scoop!!!:)

    I just found this site of the The College of Minimally Invasive Foot and Ankle Surgery .... "The UK regulatory body for Podiatric Surgeons" "The General Podiatric Surgery Council "

    Anyone want to enlighten us?
     
  2. bob

    bob Active Member

    The UK regulatory body for Podiatric Surgeons

    Not too sure about this one. Might be worth getting in touch with Mr Amin Sain who's email is posted on the link. Seem to remember his postings on the podiatry mailbase a good few years ago - an exchange of words with the dean of the Podiatric Surgery faculty regarding surgical training/pupillage. :confused:
     
  3. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Hi all,
    This is NOT "the" or even "a" regulatory site for podiatric surgeons in the UK. This is someone taking advantage of our lax rules and regulations, presumably with a view to selling training?
    Cheers,
    David
     
  4. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    ...it was 4 years ago!!:D

    Go to JISC Mail Archives and search for: new podiatric surgery group in the UK
     
  5. bob

    bob Active Member

    Really? I'm quite proud that I can remember that, but I couldn't tell you where I left my damn car keys!! ;)
     
  6. GPSC

    GPSC Welcome New Poster

    College of minimally invasive foot and ankle surgery

    www.GPSC.org.uk

    The General Podiatric Surgical Council for the UK is a new body that controls "minimal Invasive Surgery" in the UK.
    Those Podiatrists interested in undertaking MIS should visit the site.
    We will be updating the site shortly but there is enough information on there including the membership forms for the College of Minimally invasive foot and ankle surgery fellowship and contact Tel numbers if you wish to become a Podiatric Surgeon.
    We have regular meetings and you will encouraged to come along to learn more about MIS beforehand.
    These are exciting times for MIS in the UK and we are expecting to be the largest body in the UK for Podiatric Surgeons in the near future outstripping conventional open surgery. Your training will consist of cadaver surgical training also.

    Look forward to hearing from you soon.

    GPSC
     
  7. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    GPSC - Welcome to the forums, BUT - please do not start multiple threads on the same topic. Your other two have been deleted.
     
  8. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Min.Inv.Surg

    http://www.gpsc.org.uk

    I have only recently returned from the US. It's possible, I guess, I am suffering the effects of jet-lag. This could explain why I cannot quite appreciate the full appeal of this website.

    But, would someone please fill me in on the details? What the heck is the GPSC?

    :eek: A website featuring a link to "Allegations" ???

    Where / who are the tutors? Where is the College? Who are the past students? Which professional UK podiatry organization has endorsed this endevour? What training is on offer? Who/what is Dr. Amin Sain?

    :confused:
     
  9. Ian Reilly

    Ian Reilly Active Member

    Dieter

    I saw the “allegations” page on their website. Do you think they meant “allegiances” ? :eek:

    I wonder what Amin’s doctorate is in. Perhaps he will tell us….

    I posted a fuller response on the http://www.thatfootsite.com website with my initial thoughts…

    Ian Reilly
     
  10. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

  11. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Nice one Ian :D !
    Cheers,
    David
     
  12. bob

    bob Active Member

    I'm Insane!

    No, he's a real person. Check the archive of the mailbase for a similar thread regarding the unfortunate name. Or check the Notts phonebook/ yellowpages. Some parents........... ;)
     
  13. podiatry

    podiatry Welcome New Poster

    Dr Amin.M.Sain, Director GPSC and College of Minimal Invasive Foot & Ankle Surgery

    Dear skeptics, thank you for your questions regarding the GPSC and MIS. The GPSC is being formed due to the need for a professional body that recognises the independent Podiatric Practitioner much like a GMC, BDA, Osteopathic Council, Chiropract Council etc. The GPSC recognises and regulates practitioners undertaking MIS in the UK. It is an independent body open to podiatrists, orthopaedic surgeons and medical doctors. As a company it is for its members only.
    Now, Minimally invasive foot and ankle surgery (MIS). MIS was founded and pioneered by the Academy of Foot & Ankle surgery in the USA some 40 years ago. It was a small group of Podiatrists who had the courage and vision to try something different to conventional open foot surgery techiques and they developed surgical procedures which can be done on foot deformities by using small incisions and dental type burrs. Partial nail evolution is an MIS procedure! MIS is evidence based. Today MIS is done in many countries around the globe incuding Europe: Spain, Germany, Italy, France …and now the UK. People who are doing MIS foot surgery are podiatrists, orthopaedic surgeons, plastic surgeons and MDs. The medical field has embraced MIS and it is used in cardiology, orthopaedics, nephrology just to name a few medical specialities. Some dentists have specialised to do MIS dental procedures. Today I do MIS foot surgery procedures for hammer toes, hallux abducto valgus surgery, metatarsalgia, Mortons neuroma and heel surgery.
    For those who criticise, I say first see the procedures and then come to your conclusions.

    We in the independent sector now have a choice and an alternative to what is currently on offer. Either we stay where we are or we try to move forward . What you want is your choice but as a podiatrist MIS is a valuable tool for me which i can use to help my patient with their chronic foot deformity and which you could do. Please visit my web site also at www.ladybaypodiatry.co.uk where you can see some images of MIS procedures.


    Dr Amin.M.Sain
    Podiatric Director of UK
    Minimal Invasive Foot Surgeon
    Consultant Podiatrist
     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2004
  14. Ian Reilly

    Ian Reilly Active Member

    Amin

    I’ll re-post some of the questions I posted on the Thatfootsite forum as they didn’t really get an answer:

    I still feel that MIS techniques have a limited place in the overall scheme of foot surgery. If I think, for example, of the complex hammer toe surgeries Pod Surgeons perform I just can’t see how you do tendon transfers, tendon lengthenings, etc, without visualising the structures. Perhaps you can but I would need to be convinced.

    Every surgeon (General, Ortho, Vascular) I have known could only do MIS techniques after extensive experience in open surgery, and then only for some cases.

    Having had a very successful merger of the PA and the SCP surgical groups I am concerned that a new group is being set up. Why can’t you work under the merged training scheme? Unless you match the current standard of the Part A, B, C and D you will undervalue Podiatric Surgery at a time when we get quite a lot of bad press anyway. Surely the title would be ‘MIS Pod Surgeon’ at the least…

    I see on your website that you would be able to get insurance cover – some HCPs will cover Pod Surgery by an ‘FCPodS’, most will cover consultant-status practitioners only, so you are being a little optimistic to suggest that HPC monies will come your way. And unless the situation changes I couldn’t see many PCTs hiring a MIS surgeon only.

    As I said (in my opinion) MIS usefulness is limited…​


    To carry on… I do feel that some MIS techniques are warranted but a few pictures on a website is hardly strong evidence… Tell me again how you would correct a HAV with a large IMA and MPE?

    In some ways I applaud your get-up-and-go, but the quality of the website(s), for example, would hardly empress a stampeding orthpod! They take some convincing I can tell you!! Are you sure this is the best way forward?

    Ian Reilly

    ps - what is your doctorate in?
     
  15. podiatry

    podiatry Welcome New Poster

    Amin.M.Sain, Director GPSC and CMIFAS

    Ian, obviously you are entitled to your opinions. I have said to you on the phone and now for the third time on the internet that the procedures that you describe can be done by MIS. I am currently writing a paper on this which will soon be published.

    With good practice and technique these procedures can be mastered by the podiatrist who is already trained to do minor procedures such as nail surgery.

    The PA/Society surgical syllabus is a closed club and you know this. What are you really frightened of? Increased competition maybe? MIS gives an alternative to current open foot surgery. Regarding your comment on under valueing of current podiatric surgery MIS is enhancing foot surgery in this country because more people are able to do this type of surgery. As I repeat, PNA is an MIS procedure and it has revolutionised nail surgery in this country as well as around the globe. In the same way MIS will revolutionise foot surgery in this country.

    You are deluding yourself to think that I am doing these procedures to be employed or get other pods employed by the PCTS. As most podiatrists work in independent practice they are the ones and there patients who benefit. I am doing these procedures for the benefits I can give to my patient when they attend my practice with a sore foot which I cannot treat conservatively.

    I have already had enquiries from orthopods who are interested in these techniques, a book written by Spanish MIS surgeons, reviewed by an orthopaedic surgeon will be published in the UK soon. There is a Spanish orthopod who has written an excellent book on MIS. You commented on my web page, it has been up a long while and shall soon be updated to impress everyone.


    My doctorate that you keep mentioning was presented to me by the American Academy of Foot and Ankle Surgery for completing an MIS fellowship programme in the USA and Spain and for recognition of distinguished services.

    Welcome to the future of Podiatric MIS!

    Dr Amin.M.Sain
    Podiatric Director of UK
    Minimal Invasive Foot Surgeon
    Consultant Podiatrist
     
  16. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    Are you serious?
    I am not surprised that the MIS College is having such a credibility problem if you claim that as a doctorate!!!!

    If you want to be taken seriously, dropping it would be a help.
     
  17. Ian Reilly

    Ian Reilly Active Member

    Amin

    I haven’t found the Faculty to be a closed club. Far from it. I trained under the old part 5/6. When I later spent time with my PA counterparts I found that my knowledge and skills were far behind them (it might just of been me! Don’t infer that I mean this for all part 6-ers!!). I found many doors open to me before and after the merger and I have raised my game thanks to the current structure.

    What I am concerned about is a second Podiatric Surgery route – one that is just MIS – that is not up to the same standard as the Faculty. Do you think we will see MIS-only trained Orthopods or will they do MIS AFTER they have their FRCS(Orth)?

    A suggestion – would you be prepared to come to the Faculty meeting in March 05 and present your techniques? We all benefit from peer feedback in the light of new techniques and developments. That’s part of what makes up a profession and not a trade!

    I have said, I do use some MIS techniques but with my own limitations I could not correct the deformities that I do now with open techniques. If you brought your skills to the wider UK audience that would great.

    Best wishes

    Ian Reilly

    … and I look forward to your papers.
     
  18. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    MIS - a few questions before I sign on the dotted line

    Dear Colleague,

    I am very interested in MIS. Will you please write and let me know:
    1. What is your qualification
    2. Who is your examining body
    3. Which is your representative professional body
    4. What is your registration number and who can I contact to check your credentials
    5. Are you a UK or US doctor
    6. Who is on your teaching staff
    7. Who is examining students
    8. Who underwrites the insurance once qualified
    9. Who has accepted the GPSC as the governing body for podiatric surgeons
    10. Which hospitals do you work in
    11. Do you have a substantive NHS consultant or similar contract
    12. How many procedures have you performed
    13. Where can I see your theater facilities
    14. How many members are in the GPSC
    15. Which procedures are carried out as MIS

    I am very interested in this exciting new venture and very much look forward to your reply.

    Best wishes
     
  19. podiatry

    podiatry Welcome New Poster

    Dr Amin.M.Sain, Director GPSC and College of Minimal Invasive Foot & Ankle Surgery

    Dear Colleague,
    Thankyou for your questions. There will soon be a meeting of the association and you will be welcome to attend and ask your questions. I will let you know in due course. Please forward me your details.
    Many Thanks
    Dr Amin.M.Sain
    Podiatric Director of UK
    Minimal Invasive Foot Surgeon
    Consultant Podiatrist
     
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2004
  20. Ian Reilly

    Ian Reilly Active Member

    Amin

    Will you be publishing details of the meeting here? I would very much like to attend.

    In the meantime if you have any bunions listed for MIS I would genuinely like to see how these are done. Do you practice in Nottingham – it’s not too far for me to travel…

    Ian
     
  21. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Dr. A. Sane

    Thank you, and in the meantime perhaps you would consider addressing the questions, as this will allow me to weigh up if indeed I want to travel to your meeting. I have to consider the cost of fuel, and of course the horrible road conditions, at this time of year.

    Also of course, an ideal opportunity to answer any critics and attract more members! I believe your group currently has 4 members? Are any of these members qualified to conduct open surgery? Perhaps, your members would agree to have me observe some work ? (But not nail surgery please - I cannot agree this constitutes MIS, and I have seen far too much of it)

    One small query if I may be so bold? It is my understanding that it is not possible for a group such as the AAFA to issue the title of "doctor", or any other surgical group, or indeed even the mighty APMA! These organizations simply do not have the authority to do so, legitimately.

    But, I would speculate I have simply misunderstood your explanation of the route by which you have gained this title? Unfortunately, to date it seems AFFA are not prepared to answer any questions about you, or the query of the award of the title "doctor"..... I know it is possible now to buy "doctorates" over the internet, but I am sure this does not apply to a clinical expert! Perhaps anyone attending the AAFA can be awarded the title of doctor, and please may I ask what distinguished contribution you have made during your course to be considered for this accolade?

    I have to confess I am a little jealous - I graduated with 1st Class honours, many awards and prizes galore, but never once was the title of doctor even mentioned ! :mad: Most unfair...... (please take note Northampton School of Podiatry - no way to treat a successful and gifted student - if this doesn't improve future students may well look at AAFA, where students not only get trained, but may be awarded the title of doctor)



    Regards

    DF
     
  22. footmedic

    footmedic Active Member

    Mis

    MIS

    We know from the history of our podiatry profession in the UK. The profession was split into two divisions the private sector and the state. I may argue even all the ammunitions and propaganda against the privately trained podiatrists they survived and made career out of it.

    Now we are facing the same bygone way of thinking about podiatry surgery. Because we are society syllabus trained podiatry surgeons we are the only legit one, well you all have my full respect at least chosen to be surgeons.

    From my understanding of podiatry surgery in the UK it was few brave podiatrists learn the technique from the American, against all the bashing amongst our colleagues and orthopedic profession.

    We for the first time have a choice for podiatrist to be trained in MIS. As we live in a very competitive world the MIS procedure will benefit the patients and our profession.

    I understand the bitterness between the open surgeons and soon to be closed surgeons.
    Is it better to have a choice which college we decide to go with, no body is forcing the practitioners to become surgeon.

    Competition between the colleges is healthy for our profession it will improve our image and future training.

    Somuz Miah
     
  23. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    footmedic

    1. MIS techniques can be adopted by any surgeon skilled in open surgery, at any time.
    2. Overselling MIS does not legitimise the MIS concept.
    3. Provide irrefutable published evidence that MIS is a better way to do things. This is likely to persuade much more effectively. Repeating the chant "it is the future, it is much better" over and over does not make it so.
    4. MIS is NOT that popular in the US. A great majority practice open surgery.
    5. All surgeons are interested in techniques which produce predictable results with minimal adverse sequela. MIS practioners do not hold a monopoly in being interested in good outcomes for patients.
    6. Privately trained podiatrists ? - what has that to do with MIS ???
    7. We do not think about podiatric surgery in a "bygone way" - Podiatric Surgeons are among the most progressive of practitioners, receptive to new ideas - if they are of proven worth. If something works well, you can be sure the technique will be adopted. But it will take more than just say-so.
    8. You have to accept the fact that experienced surgeons simply may not have confidence in MIS to achieve results as good as those achieved in open surgery. If you are pro - MIS, then the burden of proof rests with you.
    9. If MIS is so good why is it so difficult to get a straight answer from Amin Sain? If there is nothing to hide open up your doors, invite the world to see, come and present your message to the podiatry public at the Podiatry conferences.
    10. Amin Sain says "For those who criticise, I say first see the procedures and then come to your conclusions" - well, I am waiting for the invitation. If it is as good as he says, I will gladly offer objective and balanced feed back to this group.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2004
  24. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    This sounds like an intriguing procedure :) !
     
  25. G T Flanagan

    G T Flanagan Welcome New Poster

    I Am Not Convinced!

    I find this all very hazy. You say you were awarded your doctorate by american academy of foot and ankle surgery. Don't you mean by the Academy of Ambulatory Foot and Ankle surgery. This being the organisation in which you affiliate yourself with. An organisation which is very controversial in america because it is not actually affiliated with APMA. Plus looking at the website you can join this organisation by filling out a form on-line. If MIS is "the way forward" surely you would want to work with the society to promote this kind of surgery rather than set up a rebel institution which will go nowhere because it has no regulatory backing. Also other hazy "small" points. your website talks about residencies and so on. This is an american term which follows the whole theme of your american website. Also back to the doctorate, this being awarded to you for some kind of fellowship. the other "3" members of this organisation who reside in the uk do not have doctorates from them. I am currently a student at salford university where we have two podiatric surgeons who trained in America they also do not have doctorates. Please explain Mr.Sain
     
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  26. Lee

    Lee Active Member

    Hello George,
    I assume you're talking about Frank and Pete. They did some of their training in the US, but they've both got the FCPod(s), so I think they studied under the old Podiatry Association fellowship which was a UK based precursor to the current system. What year are you in? Hope all is going well with the current studies.
    Lee
     
  27. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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  28. Dyn Parry

    Dyn Parry Member

    The GPSC website source code reveals that their webpages were copied and saved from the aacpm website!

     
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  29. Neil Thomson

    Neil Thomson Member

    The plot thickens

    What's with the web address - www.dermotfox.plus.com - which leads to the CMIFAS page.

    Is that the Dermot Fox who is/was a Northamptonshire based SRCh podiatrist and member of the SCP. What is the SCP position on members working with / training unregistered practitioners? Does anyone here know??

    Regards
     
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  30. Dermotfox

    Dermotfox Active Member

    Cmifas

    I was asked to help out and have done so.
    I am not training anyone? I, as anyone can, become a member of the AAFAS and CMIFAS and wish to learn some techniques in MIS.
    Its just another post grad course.

    What all the fuss, no-one thought the plot was thickening when I undertook the Advanced LA or any other course.

    If you dont want to do the course then dont. But dont think you can tell me what course I want to do.
    If I want to put a link on a page so what!
     
  31. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    IMHO

    (BTW, IMHO = in my humble opinion) (...and BTW = by the way)

    ...IMHO, as an outsider to the UK, though a frequent visitor and having some familiarity with the system, here is what I think about all this:

    There are two issues.
    1. MIS as a surgical technique
    2. The CMIFAS as a training body.

    MIS as a Technique
    MIS as a "surgical philosophy" for foot surgery was all the rage in the USA for a while in the late 70's early 80's .... the use of the philosphy was harmful to the development of Podiatry in the USA. All the litigation and litany of problems created from the "philosophy" has left a sour taste. The Academy of Foot & Ankle Surgery that the CMIFAS is associated with has no real great status in the USA and MIS is only still practiced by a minority of "hard core" followers (many who were not good enough to get residencies)... fortunately the rest of the profession has 'seen the light' and put the unfortunate episode for the profession behind them.

    MIS as a "surgical technique" (as opposed to a "philiosphy") is a good procedure for some selected problems ....so here in lies the problem, should the MIS be carried out by someone already who has a recognised surgical qualification as part of their choice of procedure or by someone who can't get a recognised surgical qualification and is using the MIS philosophy as a "short cut" to being a "surgeon"? (ask the public for the answer to this question!)

    The CMIFAS as a training body
    A number of things in this thread that have put a huge dent in the credibility of the CMIFAS before they have really got going:
    1) The fictitious claim by Mr Sain to have a doctorate (wait until the media gets hold of this if something goes wrong --- current affairs shows' enjoy exposing this) --- in fairness, I did notice that when this was raised in the thread, I notice, in some places on the website the 'Dr' was changed to 'Mr'
    2) The exposure of the website as having the graphics stolen from another ... I now notice the site has been taken down and a new one is coming!!! - it does make them appear like a 'bumbling' organisation.
    3) The very name of the organisation started with ... ' The College of Minimally Invasive Foot and Ankle Surgery .... "The UK regulatory body for Podiatric Surgeons" "The General Podiatric Surgery Council " ... these all imply that the organisaton is something that it certainly is not.
    4) I think one of the most telling things to come out of this is a comment, either from his thread or from another forum I read, from one of the people involved with the CMIFAS that they could not get into or complete (I can't remeber which) the current surgical course, so thats why they are doing this ... in other words, THEY FAILED!!! - God help UK podiatry if the CMIFAS is really made up of those who are not good enough to become real surgeons (imagine what a current affairs TV show would make of this if a problem occurs).

    The claim earlier in this thread:
    NO.... IMHO, this is making things look bleaker in the UK - I just hope all those who get involved with the CMIFAS are aware of the harm that MIS did to USA podiatry (a small hard core group try to argue differently - just ask them why the APMA does not recognise the AFAS?) and are aware of claims of those behind it (rather than just the marketing hype).

    Just my $0.02 from an outsider.
     
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  32. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    More 'bumbling' - I see the domain name for the new College website is actually owned by certain individual and not the organisation. .... if I was a member, I would not be impressed with that.
     
  33. Ian Reilly

    Ian Reilly Active Member

    Craig

    That was an excellent and objective reply – much better than the reply I had penned last night and was about to post! I hope would-be MIS practitioners take note.

    What the CMIFAS does is jeopardise the status and respect that the recognised route of Podiatric Surgical training has fought hard to establish in the UK. The last few months have seen many negative articles in the press. As a group we strive very hard to continually improve our standards and training – having a splinter surgical group doing MIS in this way can only be harmful. I know Dermot wants to do post-grad courses to develop knew skills – IMHO this is not the way.

    I have posed many questions on this forum that have remained unanswered. I still look forward to an invite to Nottingham to see complex bunion surgery done without screws or wires.

    Ian Reilly
     
  34. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    What I also did not mention was this...

    I do stand to be corrected on this, but, I have been led to believe that one, some or all of the USA Podiatry Schools have permanently removed the MIS foot surgery books from their libraries.

    The reason I beleive this is the allegation I read on another forum from one of the hard core Pro-MIS Podiatrists in the USA accusing them of this, urging students to protest about it and accusing the school(s) of religious "book burning", etc (ie the kind of stuff you would expect from a "religous" fanatic)

    I have no idea if this a really true or not, but if it is, it says a lot ---- why would the Schools do it? .... maybe to put the unfortunate episode in the history of the profession behind it???

    Also the use of the "book burning" analogy by the the pro MIS group, really does show the "religous like" theosophy/philiopsphy that pervades the debate... ie you can't debate with them as its a 'belief system'!
     
  35. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    OK, I went looking for the quote I referred to above and could not really find it....

    However, if you search Google for
    site:www.network54.com mis surgery - ie a site search of Podiatry Forum, the second result is this:
    However when you go to that page, I no find the message - I searched other pages, but its going to take forever..., but note in the Google snippet:
    The leadership are not stupid - they would have done that (assuming they did) if they did not have a good reason.
     
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  36. Dermotfox

    Dermotfox Active Member

    Mis

    Why not ask Amin Sain if you can pop over to Spain/France and see MIS ?

    I have seen the results and can quite understand its appeal. The full scope I'm not sure about but for bunions the results are good from before and after x-rays and pics etc.

    I have not been to Spain/France/USA to see the techniques done yet by the MIS surgeons but look forward to it next year.

    As far as members failing the socap surgical course I do not know about this? I am a member of this also and am awaiting the new course. Maybe if the societies fellowship was sorted out and made it more accessible to people in employment/PP and with other commitments, (I have 2 other companies manufacturing Pod workstations and manufacturing equipment and am in my 2nd year of a PhD) then maybe it would attract more people who are not funded by the NHS.
    I have spoken to alot of people who would not mind undertaking the societies surgical fellowship but do not know where to start. When I became a member I was given a little book with minimal information and a date for the exam appears in the journal ? thats it!
    There is no info for what to study. I also notice that when others have took the exam they then get slated when they fail by the Dean who goes on to express that they should not bother trying again? this appears in the journal, no names are given obviously.
    A friend of mine is a GP in Northampton and he said that the amount of info that I was given regards what to study was laughable considering you are studying for a Fellowship, compared to the advice he was given.
    I also notice that the majority of the negative remarks from surgeons regards this subject come from those who never gained their Fellowship from the current route but by the far inferior route of many years ago.............IMNO
    Would those individuals like to go through the current route now? as I know of one that a few years ago failed the current one.
    Maybe by integrating surgery into the undergraduate education as Dentistry then complicated surgery at fellowship level will resolve all the problems? but I imagine that the Ozzies will whinge at that also.
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2004
  37. footmedic

    footmedic Active Member

    The College Of Minimal Invasive Foot & Ankle Surgery New website. :)

    www.cmifas.co.uk

    Somuz Miah
     
  38. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Oh My God

    :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  39. footmedic

    footmedic Active Member

    Hello footmedic,

    Dieter Fellner has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled -
    The College of Minimal Invasive Foot & Ankle Surgery - in the United Kingdom
    forum of Podiatry Arena.


    Here is the message that has just been posted:
    ***************
    :eek: :eek: :eek:

    Please note this is the personal message I received from this gentleman.
    I thought this site was moderated. I will email this message to HPC.
    Also the podiatry arena must take action against this sort of behavior.
    If you want to make your view make it professionally we are all professional practitioners here. Jealousy can only burn you out not me. I do not think you are fit to be podiatric surgeon, with this kind of attitudes!

    Somuz Miah DipPodM FPSPract AAAFAS(USA)
    Executive Officer
    Alliance of Chiropody and Podiatry Practitioners
     
  40. footmedic

    footmedic Active Member

    Dieter i will not disclose your email yet.

    Somuz Miah
     
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