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Back treatment 'has no benefit'
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Spinal manipulation - which is used by chiropractors and osteopaths in the UK to treat neck and back pain - is of little help, researchers have said.
Experts from Peninsula Medical School in Devon reviewed 26 studies carried out between 2000 and 2005.

Writing in Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, they said the data gave "little evidence" of effectiveness.

Chiropractors said the team had focused on negative studies which supported the researchers' views - a claim they deny.

The researchers said they looked at all studies evaluating the benefits of spinal manipulation for period pain, colic, asthma, allergy and dizziness - as well as back and neck pain up to 2005.

It was found the data did not show spinal manipulation was effective for any condition - except for back pain where it is superior to sham manipulation, but not better than conventional treatments.

The researchers said that, as spinal manipulation had been linked to mild side effects in around half of patients, such as temporary stiffness, and - much more rarely - strokes brought on by damage to the gluteal artery in the back, it was not something which should be used instead of other therapies.

They suggest existing guidelines need to be re-evaluated in the light of their conclusions.

'Wake-up call'

Professor Edzard Ernst, who led the review, said: "There is little evidence that spinal manipulation is effective in the treatment of any medical condition.

"The findings are of concern because chiropractors and osteopaths are regulated by statute in the UK.

"Patients and the public at large perceive regulation as proof of the usefulness of treatment.

"Yet the findings presented here show a gap and contradiction between the effectiveness of intervention and the evidence."

"We suggest that the guidelines be reconsidered in the light of the best available data."

Professor Ernst said the findings should be seen as a "wake-up call" to the chiropractic profession.

"One way forward is more rigorous clinical trials to test the efficacy of spinal manipulation," he added.

"After all, the treatment is not without risk and chiropractors must demonstrate why it should be a recommendable medical treatment option."

But in a statement, the British Chiropractic Association said it was disappointed by the study's conclusions, which it believed were based on "negative" research - other studies had come to the opposite conlcusion.

"The usefulness of manipulation is that it can be added, substituted or modified as part of a package of care that provides management, pain control, advice and recognises risks to a good recovery," it said.

"Recent clinical trials funded by the Medical Research Council show that manipulation is effective and cost-effective within such a package for back pain."
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Its the same with every profession whose members use one modality for the wide spectrum of conditions that present. If you are a 'one-trick pony', well your bedside manner better be good, and your marketing double so.

Musculo-skeletal practitioners should have a few options to throw at things. To generalise, physiotherapists in Australia are playing the 'strength/control' card with most back pain. Chiropractors, have played the manipulation card, that they perform so well. Pods, I guess are making sure that every device pushes medial to the STJ axis and plantar-flexes the first ray...

This article throws cold water on Chiropractic manipulation. Well I have no doubt that some stiff spinal facet joints could well do with an end-range thrust. As always it is about picking your patient and your condition. I don't think that we do that, and I don't think the research addresses this either.
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Edzard Ernst from the University of Exeter and Alan Breen from the Anglo-European College of Chiropractors discuss the practice of spine manipulation and the findings of the research.

BBC Radio 4 Today Programme. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/li...in/index.shtml

via the web or podcast.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...097779,00.html
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Dear All,

On the radio today was Professor Ernst and Michael Van Stratten and it was a good dust up between the Researcher and the way the research was carried out and its specific findings. With much protestations from Mr Van Stratten about anecdotal evidence and he knows that pts get better.

I believe physios have the best evidence for the tt of back pain and that is a 3 part program:

Exercise Exercise Exercise.

This improves musculature range of movement and posture. Dont forget a nice pair of insoles too (just joking).

Seriously most musculo skeletal problems require the PT to do many things.

Improve fitness, lose weight , become more active, eat well.etc etc

Trouble is is that a pt wants soemone else to take their money and prod and poke them using machines that got beep. So no active pt involvement in their own tt.

rant over.

Oh yes appologies i forgot the MAGIC WORD HOLISTIC a thousand appologies to you all.

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There is a link to the audio on the top of the right column of this page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4824594.stm

There is a whole body of literature about the defence mechanisms used when the evidence shows the opposite of what is beleived. We see it happening in the response to this issue and we came across elements of it in the thread here on shockwave therapy.....if anything it is entertaining to watch
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Multidisciplinary Group Rehabilitation Versus Individual Physiotherapy for Chronic Nonspecific Low Back Pain
A Randomized Trial

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Study Design: A randomized trial.
Objective: To evaluate the effectiveness of a semi-intensive multidisciplinary rehabilitation for patients with chronic low back pain in an outpatient setting.
Summary and Background Data: Systematic reviews have shown that there is strong evidence that intensive multidisciplinary treatment (>100 hours), which includes functional restoration, improves function among chronic patients with low back pain, and moderate evidence that it reduces pain but contradictory evidence regarding improvement of working ability. However, there is paucity of data whether semi-intensive outpatient multidisciplinary rehabilitation in groups is more effective than individual physiotherapy.
Materials and Methods: A total of 120 women employed as healthcare and social care professionals with nonspecific chronic low back pain were recruited from two occupational healthcare centers. The patients were randomized into two intervention programs. Multidisciplinary rehabilitation (n = 59) was conducted in groups and comprised of physical training, workplace interventions, back school, relaxation training, and cognitive-behavioral stress management methods for 70 hours. The individual physiotherapy (n = 61) included physical exercise and passive treatment methods administered for 10 hours. Main outcome measures were: back pain and sciatic pain intensity, disability, sick leaves, healthcare consumption, symptoms of depression, and beliefs of working ability after 2 years.
Results: There were no statistically significant differences between the two treatment groups in main outcome measures just after rehabilitation, at 6-, at 12-, or 24-month follow-up. In both intervention arms, however, the before-and-after comparison showed favorable effects, and the effects were still maintained at 2 years follow-up.
Conclusions: The results of this study indicate that semilight outpatient multidisciplinary rehabilitation program for female chronic low back pain patients does not offer incremental benefits when compared with rehabilitation carried out by a physiotherapist having a cognitive-behavioral way of administering the treatment.
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Perhaps this is so,however,we podiatrists should not be too quick to gloat here.After all,I am sure that a paper will be published throwing cold water on some mainstays of podiatric treatment(i.e. nail debridement).I do not look down at chiropractors as they do some good things.Like in any other field,there are good and bad.
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Although my experience with statistaic is limited I have found the problem with research is the errors and limitations associated with data collection, processing and analysis which can lead to outcomes which go against common sense, or popular perception or other published research. Research can rarely be 100% conclusive because of these limitations, especially of time, money, logistics, technology, will, ethics.
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I recently read a young ladies O level research project looking at the corelation between number of driving lessons and failure rates/driving test errors, which although not finished, suggested that the data showed more lessons do not give fewer mistakes or higher pass rates. Obviously this is totally against common sense but her limitations of research obviuosly lead to large errors. Her protocol only allowed her to analyse at 50 out of 250 sets of data provided and each subject had between 3 and 10 lessons and test were carried out on different days by different examiners.

On a personal level relating to back injury. An extremely painful back injury which the NHS could do nothing for, over several months, was resolved in one treatment by a private practitioner using vigorous manipulation.

This is another fault with so called evidence based treatment it makes conclusions about expected outcomes for large groups but not individuals. This may be useful as a guide for the financial managment of clinical procedures but not as a guide to whatis best for the presenting patient.

This might be simmilar to shoe stockist finding that it is financialy more prudent to only stock a range of popular sizes. Which may mean lower prices and higher profit margins but what about the poor guy with size 13/50 feet.

Just my opinion Cheers Dave
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This seems so obvious - but here goes.

Whether or not chiropractic technique works, can the research conclusions of a competitor in the back-health market really be taken seriously?
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The full text of the article posted in message one is now available as a pdf file:
http://www.rsm.ac.uk/media/pdf/j06-04spinalmanip.pdf
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With reference to the Article printed in the Daily Mail health pages Wednesday 22nd March ‘Chiropractors may be a waste of time' BackCare has the following comments:

Evidence from the latest systematic review 1 of good quality trials is that spinal manipulation is better at relieving back pain than no treatment and as good as but not better than painkiller exercises or physiotherapy.

Nia Taylor, Chief Executive of BackCare, says that hands on therapies have their place:

“Any treatment that helps to relieve pain even just in the short term, can be very important in allowing people to get back to their normal activities and exercise routine. This in the long term will then help them to recover from their back pain” she says.

In 2004 BackCare conducted an internet survey of treatments for back pain & asked back pain sufferers what actually worked for them. The results were published in The Daily Telegraph book ‘Back Pain - What Really Works' by Arthur C. Klein. They will also be included in a new guide to “Complementary & Alternative Therapies for Back Pain” to be published by BackCare next month.

The results for chiropractic and osteopathy were as follows:

Among people who had tried chiropractic 33% felt it had given some help that lasted six months or more, 38% felt it had given temporary relief and only 15% felt that it didn't help at all.

For osteopathy the figures were 36% for long term help, 38% for short term help & 18% no help at all.

2240 people took part in the survey most of whom had suffered from back pain for more than one year.

1.(Assendelft WJJ, Morton SC, Yu EmilyI I, Suttorp MJ, Shekelle PG. Spinal manipulative therapy for low back pain) The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2004, Issue 1. Art. No.:CD00447
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Spinal manipulation is but one potential element of the osteopathic treatment package, which also includes guidance on lifestyle, diet and exercise.

A large proportion of patients visit osteopaths for help with back pain including low back pain, neck pain and headaches. All recent scientific research suggests that back pain:

-- is rarely a simple problem.
-- is influenced by psychological and social factors.
-- requires treatment tailored to the patient's needs.

Research is a high priority within the osteopathic profession and new research is always welcomed by the General Osteopathic Council (GOsC). However, this is a review of research dating back to 2000 and provides no new findings itself. Further, the paper fails to draw on more recent studies. As such, the review is extremely limited, and certainly not helpful to patients or healthcare professionals when making generalisations about osteopathic practice.

Contrary to Professor Ernst's statement that “… regulation serves as a substitute for research …” the National Council for Osteopathic Research (NCOR) was set up in 2003, following the establishment of the Statutory Register of Osteopaths in 2000. NCOR's remit is to co-ordinate and develop the evidence-base for osteopathy.

A spokesperson for NCOR said, “A substantial amount of research has been carried out in the last few years, most notably a Medical Research Council (MRC) funded trial on spinal manipulation and exercise therapy for low back pain (UK BEAM trial 2004 - www.osteopathy.org.uk/media/prdetails.php?id=24). This important study provides good evidence to support spinal manipulation for low back pain, particularly when combined with exercise guidance - typical osteopathic management. This suggests that Professor Ernst is out of date with this review.”

In summary, the research design/methodology is not a recognised systematic review, it is limited in terms of scientific value, and the data presented does not support the conclusions made.

This article is in response to:
‘Spinal Manipulation doesn't work for any condition, new research finds' Ernst E., Canter P. A systematic review of systematic reviews of spinal manipulation. J R Soc Med 2006;99:189-193
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An article to be published in the April issue of the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine on the efficacy of spinal manipulation has caused an uproar among both British and American chiropractors.

In the study entitled “A systematic review of systematic reviews of spinal manipulation,” the authors reviewed 16 research papers published between 2000 and 2005 on back pain, neck pain, primary and secondary dysmenorrhoea, infantile colic, asthma, allergy, and cervicogenic dizziness.

Authors of the article, professors Edzard Ernst and Peter Canter of Peninsula Medical School at Exeter, wrote that they found no convincing data to support claims that spinal manipulation is effective. They said that with the possible exception of back pain relief — when spinal manipulation is as good, but not better than conventional treatments — the technique is worthless.

The British Chiropractic Association (BCA) considered the article biased. A statement from the BCA said:

“Ernst and Canter have carefully selected negative articles in support of their conclusion that manipulation cannot be recommended as a treatment when national clinical practice guidelines, based on much more and better research than the studies this article has selected, has come to exactly the opposite conclusion.”

The BCA also went on to say, “Professor Ernst has a track record of disparaging not only the chiropractic profession but also other similarly regulated healthcare professions.”

The American Chiropractic Association (ACA) said the review “is biased and misleading, and needlessly alarms the public about a safe and effective form of treatment.”

In a March 23, 2006, letter from ACA president, Richard G. Brassard, DC, Brassard responds, in part, by stating, “The truth be told, the authors have limited the evidence to suit their own arguments, and in fact they have included so much of their own opinionated research — approximately one-fifth of the papers cited — that their study is closer to personal opinion than an unbiased review.”
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Ladies and Gentleman,

Although this is an old thread, I felt that as a practicing Doctor of Chiropractic that a response to this “selective literature review” is necessary.

After reading literally hundreds of these studies over the years, I becomes apparent that many are biased and not randomized, double-blinded, controlled studies. The most negative tend to be cherry picked reviews of poorly conceived trials and bear no merit.

To our credit as chiropractors there are a number of excellent, peer-reviewed, independent clinical trials conducted by respected researchers that completely refute the findings of this particular study and present compelling evidence of the efficacy of chiropractic care contrary to what this review purports.

I will summarize a few of these landmark studies and provide article citations:

1. Acute Low Back Problems in Adults. Clinical Practice Guidelines. Bigos S, et al. Agency for Health Care Policy and Research Publication No. 950642 (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services) -1994.

The following conclusions were made in this landmark study:

* Conservative treatment such as spinal manipulation should be pursued in most before cases considering surgical intervention;
* Prescription drugs such as oral steroids, antidepressant medications and colchicine are not recommended for acute low back problems.

Other interesting finds included:
# The risk of serious complications from lumbar spinal manipulation is rare;
# There is currently no evidence supporting the use of trigger point, ligamentous and facet injections, needle acupuncture or dry needling as treatment for acute back problems;
# The panel found no evidence of benefit from the application of physical agents and modalities such as ice, heat, massage, traction, ultrasound, cutaneous laser treatment, transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (T.E.N.S.) and biofeedback techniques.

2. The Appropriateness of Spinal Manipulation for Lower Back Pain. Shekelle PG, et al. RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California - 1992.

Findings:

This study, conducted by the prestigious RAND Corporation, marks the first time representatives of the U.S. medical community have gone on record stating that chiropractic is an appropriate treatment for certain low back pain conditions. A second, all-chiropractic panel's ratings show agreement with the multidisciplinary panel that spinal manipulation is appropriate for specific kinds of low back pain.

3. The Effectiveness and Cost Effectiveness of Chiropractic Management of Low-Back Pain. Pran Manga and Associates. University of Ottawa, Canada - 1993.

The Canadian Government report concluded with the following findings:

• On the evidence, particularly the most scientifically valid clinical studies, spinal manipulation applied by chiropractors is shown to be more effective than alternative treatments for low back pain. Many medical therapies are of questionable validity or are clearly inadequate;
• There is no clinical or case-control study that demonstrates or even implies that chiropractic spinal manipulation is unsafe in the treatment of low back pain. Some medical treatments are equally safe, but others are unsafe and generate iatrogenic (doctor-induced) complications for low back pain patients. Our reading of the literature suggests that chiropractic manipulation is safer than medical management of low back pain;
• Indeed, several existing medical therapies of low back pain are generally contraindicated on the basis of the existing clinical trials. There is also some evidence in the literature to suggest that spinal manipulations are less safe and less effective when performed by nonchiropractic professionals;
• There is an overwhelming body of evidence indicating that chiropractic management of low back pain is more cost-effective than medical management;
• There would be highly significant cost savings if more management of low back pain was transferred from physicians to chiropractors. Evidence from Canada and other countries suggests potential savings of many hundreds of millions annually;
• Workers' compensation studies report that injured workers with the same specific diagnosis of low back pain returned to work much sooner when treated by chiropractors than by medical physicians;
• There is good empirical evidence that patients are very satisfied with chiropractic management of low back pain and considerably less satisfied with medical physician management;
• The use of chiropractic has grown steadily over the years and chiropractors are now accepted as a legitimate healing profession by the public and an increasing number of medical physicians;
• In our view, the following offers an overwhelming case in favor of much greater use of chiropractic services in the management of low back pain:
o the effectiveness and cost effectiveness of chiropractic management of low back pain
o the untested, questionable or harmful nature of many current medical therapies
o the economic efficiency of chiropractic care for low back pain compared with medical care
o the safety of chiropractic care
o the higher satisfaction levels expressed by patients of chiropractors.
Due to serious financial problems with the Canadian governments, the different types of treatments for low back conditions were evaluated in an effort to reduce and contain health care costs. Their findings showed chiropractic manipulation was the most cost effective and efficacious care for low back pain.

(* it is no coincidence that in this decade there was one case of vertebral artery dissection and subsequent mortality attributed to chiropractic manipulation in Canada that sparked a huge battle between the medical establishment and the chiropractic profession. One of their suggestions was the inclusion of chiropractic privileges in Canadian hospitals. Obviously this did not sit well with the medical establishment and the fight to destroy the image of chiropractic began. It mirrors similar litigation in Wilk, et. Al vs. the AMA in this country where the chiropractic profession prevailed in proving that the AMA conspired to contain, control and eliminate the practice of chiropractic.

In the ensuing melee Dr. Scott Haldeman, a medical physician AND a chiropractor investigated and his findings were thus:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/165/7/905

There are over 4500 licensed chiropractors in Canada. The likelihood that a chiropractor will be made aware of an arterial dissection following cervical manipulation is approximately 1:8.06 million office visits, 1:5.85 million cervical manipulations, 1:1430 chiropractic practice years and 1:48 chiropractic practice careers. This is significantly less than the estimates of 1:500 000–1 million cervical manipulations calculated from surveys of neurologists.7,8,9 These data also confirm the conclusions of a recent review of the literature in which patients at risk for this complication could not be identified.10

4. Chiropractic Evaluation Study Task III Report of the Relevant Literature. MRI Project No. 8533-D. MacDonald MJ, Morton L. For Department of Defense, OCHAMPUS, Aurora, Colorado - 1986.


This study examined clinical trials published in the professional literature between 1930 and 1981.

The researchers concluded that:

* manual therapy was superior to placebos,
* there was greater mobility following manipulation,
* the duration of treatment was shorter for the manipulated groups,
* there was improved lateral flexion and rotation after manipulation,
* the numerous case studies throughout the literature report the satisfaction of chiropractic patients with the outcome of treatments.

As you can see there is another side to this coin and valid research to support the wide inclusion of chiropractic care as portal-of-entry providers specifically for low back pain. There are several more progressive hospitals in this country where DC’s enjoy privilege and I hope this trend will continue. Until then we can only ‘fight the good fight’, produce more clinical trails to present the overwhelming truth about the efficacy and safety of manipulation and raise our heads above the unfounded that bias we as a profession experience on a daily basis from the allopathic profession.

In closing I have a response to the authors comment about the potential risk to benefit of manipulation. Of course there are minimal risks of minor insult involved in the practice of chiropractic and there are rare occurrences of more severe outcomes in the literature. We do not deny that. If there is a risk of grave iatrogenic injury from manipulation as delivered by Doctors of Chiropractic, why is my 1 million/ 3 million malpractice insurance policy premium renewed at a current rate of about $1,200 per annum?

Could the answer to the outcome of this literature review be professional economics and territorial perseverance?

Lastly I thank David for this keen observation:


[quote=David Smith;9174]

On a personal level relating to back injury. An extremely painful back injury which the NHS could do nothing for, over several months, was resolved in one treatment by a private practitioner using vigorous manipulation.

This is another fault with so called evidence based treatment it makes conclusions about expected outcomes for large groups but not individuals. This may be useful as a guide for the financial managment of clinical procedures but not as a guide to whatis best for the presenting patient.
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In fairness, the report stated that there was little evidence for the effectiveness of spinal manipulation for any condition EXCEPT back pain. The studies which you list are concerned with (lower) back pain and not period pain, colic, asthma and dizziness which were part of the study. I don't have any axe to grind and I am sure you are correct concerning your second last paragraph. However, it is entirely possible that the individual concerned was misdiagnosed in the NHS and this does nothing whatever to justify your damning statement on evidence based treatment.

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In fairness, the report stated that there was little evidence for the effectiveness of spinal manipulation for any condition EXCEPT back pain. The studies which you list are concerned with (lower) back pain and not period pain, colic, asthma and dizziness which were part of the study. I don't have any axe to grind and I am sure you are correct concerning your second last paragraph. However, it is entirely possible that the individual concerned was misdiagnosed in the NHS and this does nothing whatever to justify your damning statement on evidence based treatment.

All the best

Bill Liggins
Bill,

Perhaps I should have been more precise. I do understand what you are saying and I agree mostly with your assessment. I am not in any way damning evidence based treatment, to the contrary and the chagrin of many of my colleagues, I endorse and practice it.

The article does discuss period pain, colic pain asthma and dizziness. They also reference neck and back pain or I would not have responded at all. I would like to point out that typically studies such as these that I believe contain a significant bias often quote studies that blend pain syndromes from a non-mechanical etiology with mechanical neck and low back pain and this is imprecise.

"It was found the data did not show spinal manipulation was effective for any condition - except for back pain where it is superior to sham manipulation, but not better than conventional treatments."

This is what you commented on and I was merely refuting what I believe is a flawed statement based on poor design of the review and the lack of focus directed at mechanical pain syndromes by including the above and then referencing neck and back pain. Does this seem somewhat illogical to anyone else reading this?

If the researchers include organic pain syndromes and then reference neck and low back pain, ignoring precision as to whether it is mechanical or otherwise and then damn spinal manipulation for all of the above they should be criticized. In light of much better research available refuting their broad claims I feel justified in commenting.

“Professor Edzard Ernst, who led the review, said: "There is little evidence that spinal manipulation is effective in the treatment of any medical condition.”

This is a very vague and misleading conclusion in my humble opinion. I would consider mechanical low back or neck pain to be a medical condition necessitating appropriate medical care. The fact that chiropractors are not medical doctors is semantic here; we provide a service that is often referred to as manual medicine here in the U.S. but scorned because we are not medical providers. All health insurers base payment for these services on “medically necessary care to cure or relieve” the condition diagnosed.

The problem with this review is they are comparing apples to oranges and then mixing the two together to arrive at a conclusion that does not adequately controvert the more qualified and accepted studies.

This review is all over the map.

I hope that you will find some agreement with what I have said here Bill.

Regards,
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"If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, there would be little hope of advance." - Orville Wright

David G. Wedemeyer, D.C., C.Ped.

Last edited by NewsBot : 27th May 2008 at 02:58 PM. Reason: fixed quote
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