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Dr Romanov is getting an increased following for his Pose technique of running:
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The Pose Method is a system for teaching of human movement, by determining the key poses, and a model of working with the laws of nature instead of against them. In running, this is achieved by using gravity as the primary force for movement instead of muscular energy.
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November 15, 2005
ORTHOTICS: SHOULD YOU WEAR THEM?

It doesn't seem to go away and people constantly ask the same questions. People want simple answers. Nobody is listening to the reasoning about the use of orthotics. So I am going to write in a simple way as much as possible.

My recommendation is to stop wearing them. Return them and get your money back, and start thinking differently about this matter.

According to Dr.Lyle J.Micheli (The Sport Medicine Bible, 1995, p.p.121-122), orthotics are shoe inserts designed to correct some abnormalities, such as flat feet, high arches, feet pronation and as a treatment for the ITB (iliotibial band) syndrome and knee pain. According to medical community beliefs, orthotics are providing:
  • arch support for athletes with mild fallen arches
  • support for the long bones of the midfoot, the metatarsals
  • heel support through a wedge in the heel, which can help reduce the strain on the calf muscle - Achilles tendon unit
What do I think think about orthotics?

I think it is not the right solution for these problems. It is a lazy approach. It is a temporary artificial support, instead of development of one's own body and one's own skills of movement, the athlete is given a cane as an invalid, which eventually lead to more weaknesses and problems.

Why they don't work?

Orthotics don't work, because they deprive muscles from performing their specific functions by substituting for their work. Orthotics do not teach us to move proper and they deteriorate our perception of movement.

Why people should stop wearing them when starting with Pose?

When starting with Pose people start relying on the proper development of their body, muscles and perception, where any artificial devices would interfere with their process of learning the proper movement.
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November 21, 2005 HOW TO STOP WEARING ORTHOTICS AND MAKE A SMOOTH TRANSITION TO BETTER RUNNING?

It's one thing to know that orthotics are not helpful to keep you running pain-free, and it's another thing to stop wearing them after many years. We all have our habits, which become our second nature, which we don't want to change. We get fearful just at the thought of any possible change ahead, because we don't know what the outcome could be and it forces us out of our comfort zone. The benefits from the change seem to be illusive and it is questionable if there is any sense in taking this risk.

That's what's going through the mind of everyone who is thinking about starting to run without orthotics. Nothing is new. We are going through this kind of risk management every single day, only on a different scale. Some small changes we can handle easily, but not every big one, as your orthotics, which became a part of your everyday life, not just your running. So it takes a lot of efforts to overcome your habits, hesitation and fears. You need to get to the point when your habit of doing everything the old way gets into tremendous conflict with your desire to raise to a new level in your running and in your life. Then you can start thinking, what you have to do and how to start your new life?

First of all, you need to face the reality and understand that orthotics will not solve your problem. They would mask the problem, but not solve it. The ability to solve the problem is in us, in our body, mind and skill development. So when you get to the point of making this radical decision, you have to be sure that you are ready to work for this, to spend your time and efforts to develop your ability to get out of your past comfortable life with "support" and start relying only on yourself.

Transition is not comfortable at all. You know this from your own experience of changing your place of work, your town, state, or even your country of residence. In the same way it's going to be with orthotics. Your mind will be fearful, your body will feel uncomfortable, and your senses will be confused. What can we do in order to overcome these difficulties?
  • First of all, try to reduce your fear
  • Introduce the changes for the body step by step in the amount you can handle
  • Keep your orthotics, at first, but change the shoes, from the thick soles to thin
  • Focus on perceptions which have to be developed
  • Start learning the Pose Method, doing just drills and short runs
  • Increase the length of running as long as you can keep the proper technique
  • Increase the speed of running as long as you can keep the proper technique
  • Use barefoot running to increase your feet muscle strength
  • Use running on the sand for the same purpose
  • Include jumping exercises with a rope in your training
  • Include jumping exercises on the sand and on the grass to improve your elasticity and your feet muscles strength
  • Learn to keep your perception of the body weight on the balls of the feet during all these exercises
  • Learn to fall forward from the balls of the feet
  • Learn to pull the foot from the ground while falling
  • Always step back, if you feel overboard with your abilities to handle the "progress"
This seemingly long to-do list represents a very simple logic of the transition period from your "comfortable" and "safe" life to really comfortable and safe life and running.
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This is a misnomer; it should be the dis-pose technique.


If reducing pathological/provocative/aggravating forces to stressed tissue is not correct, then he should remove the lumbar support on his chair, and say 'no' to the doctor that wants to put a plaster on his broken arm.


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Dr Romanov is getting an increased following for his Pose technique of running:
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I hope that Dr. Romanov's idea on the "Pose Method" of running catches on more.....it will certainly increase my practice volume by injuring more runners who were never meant to be forefoot strikers.

Ron, dis-Pose.....that's a good one. :p
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Hmmm.. well Nick Romanov certainly has some interesting ideas, and he is nothing if not opinionated. Of course the statements he makes in relation to orthotic therapy cannot be sustained at all, unless he is referring to prescribers outside the podiatry profession, where scientific scrutiny is not so glaring.... or is it???... well that is for an entirely different forum i guess. But in many ways he does us a favour... because even if we do not admit it, we all know that not every podiatrist should be prescribing orthoses. We all know that there is a real art to the science, and those practitioners who are very successful with orthotic therapy take the art very seriously indeed. they are creative, think outside the box and ask a whole lot of "what ifs". They have the controls and checks in place and titrate their results where other practitioners do not. Brings up the old chestnut (and right now I feel like Carrie Bradshaw)... who SHOULD be allowed to prescribe orthoses? Should there be specialist recognition??
Dr. Romanovs Pose Technique has the same fatal flaw that many podiatrist's apply to their orthotic therapy... it is unidimentional, and it is the same for ever single athlete.. No sir.. not all athletes are the same, and injury/assessment/rehabilitation programs must be individually tailored to each individual athlete. But lets not kid ourselves here.. in the world of podiatry, we do and teach gait issues poorly. Our analysis techniques are antiquated, and we could learn, from Dr. Romanov, and our good freind Isaac Newton, to improve our gait analysis. Technique is really important. And technique modification is fundamental to injury prevention and rehabilitation. If yor athlete has poor technique and they are injured, you are unlikely to get a result with orthotic therapy until the technique deficit is addresses. then, and only then, can the orthoses do the job for which they were so carefully designed. We need to use Romanov's technique to look in more depth at gait and movement biomechanics, we need to understand the impact of the acceleration and breasking phases of gait, and how they create/influence injury, and we need to know how to positivle influence faulty movement patterns through re-education and altered motor learning patterns.
On a personal note Dr. Kirby, i have tried several times to email you in recent weeks, but keep being told I have the wrong address (this despite me just hitting reply to your emails!).
Would you mind confirming your correct address for me.
thanks and regards to all

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Hmmm.. well Nick Romanov certainly has some interesting ideas, and he is nothing if not opinionated. Of course the statements he makes in relation to orthotic therapy cannot be sustained at all, unless he is referring to prescribers outside the podiatry profession, where scientific scrutiny is not so glaring.... or is it???... well that is for an entirely different forum i guess. But in many ways he does us a favour... because even if we do not admit it, we all know that not every podiatrist should be prescribing orthoses. We all know that there is a real art to the science, and those practitioners who are very successful with orthotic therapy take the art very seriously indeed. they are creative, think outside the box and ask a whole lot of "what ifs". They have the controls and checks in place and titrate their results where other practitioners do not. Brings up the old chestnut (and right now I feel like Carrie Bradshaw)... who SHOULD be allowed to prescribe orthoses? Should there be specialist recognition??
Dr. Romanovs Pose Technique has the same fatal flaw that many podiatrist's apply to their orthotic therapy... it is unidimentional, and it is the same for ever single athlete.. No sir.. not all athletes are the same, and injury/assessment/rehabilitation programs must be individually tailored to each individual athlete. But lets not kid ourselves here.. in the world of podiatry, we do and teach gait issues poorly. Our analysis techniques are antiquated, and we could learn, from Dr. Romanov, and our good freind Isaac Newton, to improve our gait analysis. Technique is really important. And technique modification is fundamental to injury prevention and rehabilitation. If yor athlete has poor technique and they are injured, you are unlikely to get a result with orthotic therapy until the technique deficit is addresses. then, and only then, can the orthoses do the job for which they were so carefully designed. We need to use Romanov's technique to look in more depth at gait and movement biomechanics, we need to understand the impact of the acceleration and breasking phases of gait, and how they create/influence injury, and we need to know how to positivle influence faulty movement patterns through re-education and altered motor learning patterns.
On a personal note Dr. Kirby, i have tried several times to email you in recent weeks, but keep being told I have the wrong address (this despite me just hitting reply to your emails!).
Would you mind confirming your correct address for me.
thanks and regards to all

Simon Bartold
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Default Re: Pose technique of running: do not wear orthotics

I've just had a skim read on barefoot running and the pose technique. Would Dr Romanov apply the same reasoning to spectacle wearing?
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I know this is an old thread, but here is the info on Dr Romanov's book for those who wish to find out more on this approach:

Dr. Nicholas Romanov's Pose Method of Running
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Dr. Romanov teaches running that is more like training for classical ballet and martial arts than traditional track and field. -- Marilyn Smith, Rutledge Books Inc.

Radically change your form, eliminate injuries, enhance endurance, raise speed… have we got your attention yet? -- 220 Triathlon Magazine Review: Pose Method® of Running

Romanov's book is an excellent source of clearly explained, specific, testable, and pragmatic instruction on running form. -- Santa Barbara Athletic Association Book Review: The Pose Method® of Running

The Revolutionary way to run faster… now -- Graham Fletcher, 220 Triathlon Mag., #145 Summer 2002
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Run EASIER, SAFER and FASTER! Let Dr.Nicholas Romanov - a world renowned authority on running - show you that running doesn't have to be painful.

His method will help you regardless of the level at which you run! Though used by professional athletes, it is invaluable to any runner, from recreational to keen amateur, and from the sprinter to the marathoner.

Learn from the best in the field and enjoying perfect running!
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When I first read the Pose Method book, I was a bit skeptical, as it recommended such an incredibly different approach to running. However, after years of intermittent layoffs due to injuries, I was willing to try *anything* to be able to run again.

After reading the entire book and practising running in Pose for a few months, the theories have gelled in my mind, and I can understand exactly where Dr. Romanov is coming from. Now it all seems so clear, I don't see how people can run any other way, and I know why injuries are so terribly common in the running population.

Dr. Romanov provides good theoretical background for the Pose Method, explained in layman's terms, with a nice, chatty tone. In fact, the tone of the entire book is helpful, friendly, and supportive. It is neither dry nor didactic, even when reviewing the grounding in physics needed to understand the action of gravity in assisting ones running.

One can tell by reading this work that Dr. Romanov's goal is to help people run -- nothing more, nothing less. He has discovered perhaps the greatest key ever found to running with fewer injuries and less effort and is sharing that discovery with the running world.

The book contains many drills, exercises and stretches, which are extremely good to have on hand for future reference long after the reader has absorbed the text. Illustrations are good, probably about an 8 on a scale of 1-10. Sometimes it's hard to track exactly what movement is being requested, or what the difference in execution or benefit is between one and another. However, doing a few, or doing all over time, can only be helpful.

Dr. Romanov wraps up this book with ways to review ones progress, and to identify and correct errors in form. This helps the self-taught student avoid stumbling into common pitfalls, and instead optimize results without necessarily having the benefit of personal coaching.

Any runner who is tired of being injured, or who has reached a plateau in speed and is willing to revolutionize his or her form in order to reach a higher level of performance would benefit from and enjoy this book. A great read, and a great value.
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I am a 36 years old recreational runner/marathoner. I found out about Pose method by accident browsing the net some time ago. I stumbled upon Mr. Romanov's website, and was quite impressed by the promise of injury free running.
After buying/reading the book I have to say, that it is poorly written, full of typos, and the first 100 pages or so are there only to sell the Pose method, which is beyond the point really, as I already bought an expensive paperback. I guess it could be condensed into 20 pages max.
Having said that, the book made me think, and the method works. Yes, there is a real increase in speed and cadence without much perceived effort, however there must be strength training and stretching that goes with it should I want to switch 100% to pose method.
To sum it up - it should be a very expensive brochure rather than a book full of filler material. Thats a letdown. BUT IT WORKS. I would recommend this book to a friend.
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