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Nottingham foot specialist 'lied about knowledge'

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by NewsBot, Feb 23, 2009.

  1. NewsBot

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    Nottingham.co.uk are reporting:
    Nottingham foot specialist 'lied about knowledge'
     
  2. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    Interesting claim, given that he owned the domain name! (see this thread).

    I just checked a whois and the domain is no longer registered.

    BUT, look at this from Wayback archive of the site:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20050205065747/http://www.gpsc.org.uk/
    ...and he claims he has nothing to do with the site! BUT, clearly at some stage in the past (according to the wayback archive) the General Podiatry Surgery Council site directed visitors to his email address and the CMIFAS site!

    A Whois enquiry of cmifas.co.uk, show he owns the site!:
    http://webwhois.nic.uk/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?query=cmifas.co.uk&WHOIS Submit.x=40&WHOIS Submit.y=9
    The GPSC website ("The UK regulatory body for Podiatric Surgeons") from Nov 2004 had him listed as the UK director:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20041128080154/http://www.gpsc.org.uk/

    I wonder if the HPC have all this information?
     
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  3. DAVOhorn

    DAVOhorn Well-Known Member

    Dear Craig,

    If they did not then thanks to your due diligence they could now as this site is in the Public Domain.

    I remember when this was all hitting the fan as i read about his activities on this site.

    regards David
     
  4. joseph Paterson

    joseph Paterson Active Member

    An article in the "Journal" dated 8 July 2004 from the Alliance about "A Minimal Invasion of America states that Mr Amin Sain FAAFAS (USA) Podiartic Surgeon, Fellow of the Amerericain Ambulatory Foot and Ankle Surgery and now Podiatric Director of AAFAS (UK)" I remember reading the website at the time thinking that this may be new!only to find out later the Podiatric Surgeons used this type of surgery over 30 years ago plus it was an expensive course, which of course put me off. One is lead to believe that his qualifications are American, but if not recognised by the HPC then he would remain unqualified and not able to use his skills in the uk.

    This case does raise the question, is it worth it to go abroad to learn more.


    At the time of writing I have no knowledge of the out come of the hearing.

    Joseph
     
  5. William Fowler

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    Here is the latest:
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    Here is the HPC decisions:
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  9. Craig Payne

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    Cool .....:cool:
     
  10. LuckyLisfranc

    LuckyLisfranc Well-Known Member

    I find this an interesting test case on the role of additional surgical procedures complementing the current limited surgical scope of general podiatrists in Commonwealth countries.

    Similar to organised medicine and dentistry, there is skepticism on the ability of 'general' practitioners to learn additional surgical procedures beyond just simple nail procedures and wart surgery. An example might be a percutaneous flexor tenotomy for an apical toe neuroapthic ulcer, performed on an outpatient basis in a just few seconds with next to no equipment. My local orthopaedic surgeons charge a staggering amount for these on diabetic patients (done in theatre with a reasonable sedation/GA) with chronic toe lesions, when general podiatrists could easily be doing these safely, at massively lower cost, and with a greater public health benefit (my contention).

    The debate on MIS pops up and down over time. Most traditional surgical authorities contend it is a questionable practice in foot surgery, and in this case the HPC has determined it should not be performed by an individual who has not been fully trained and accredited in open surgery. Others say it has a role, and it is indeed a separate alternative to open surgery that it can be learnt through a separate pathway. This similarity exists in dentistry with max/fax vs 'implant surgery' devotees.

    I think there is some evidence to support at least a few MIS procedures (eg percutaneous TAL in diabetes comes to mind). Generally, like a lot of surgery - the evidence base is pretty thin.

    Has the time not come to produce graduates from our universities who can do more than remove a nail edge and do chemical matrixectomy, or currettage a wart? It has been decades since these procedures were first introduced into undergraduate curriculums around the Commonwealth..but we have not moved forward from here.

    Worth some debate - considering the GP down the corridor from me is "allowed" to perform a wider array of minor foot surgery than I am allowed to.

    LL
     
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    Here is the news media take on this story:
    Foot specialist banned from operating
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  12. joseph Paterson

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    Having read the judgement I did notice that Mr Sain can still carry on working, I was wondering how others felt who maybe in thier opion they have been struck off for in thier own opion less serious behavoour.

    Perhaps is if he wore a bondage outfit during surgery the outcome may have been different.:wacko:

    Joseph
     
  13. Cameron

    Cameron Well-Known Member

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    The case aside these are two interesting statments taken from the HPC summary report.

    >Further, although mention has been made of the SCP training programmes, neither the old nor the new has been an approved course in the sense in which the HPC approves courses, the passing of which automatically qualifies for registration.


    >The Panel finds that the British public have the right to expect that any healthcare professional who performs surgery (of any type) has been trained to a safe and quantifiable standard. There is no proscribed route in Podiatry to obtain such a standard in the UK, but the most usual method is following the SCP route already identified. This is the course of training and examination that is recognised by the N.H.S. and various private healthcare providers.

    In light of their content should we not expect the HPC in the interests of the British Public and the scope of practice of podiatry now call to register the practice of surgical podiatry in the UK?

    Consider the blue touch paper lit.:dizzy:

    What say you?
    toeslayer
     
  14. W J Liggins

    W J Liggins Well-Known Member

    Whether a move is made to to register the practice of podiatric surgery is, I suspect, in the hands of the Department of Health. But please God, not "surgical podiatry" We have consultant podiatric surgeons in the NHS but not "surgical podiatrists"!

    Bill Liggins
     
  15. rosherville

    rosherville Active Member

    Hi Toeslayer,

    You make some interesting points. Considering:

    1. 'Podiatric Surgeon” is not a protected title in the way that “Podiatrist” is undoubtedly protected by the HPC. Further, although mention has been made of the SCP training programmes, neither the old nor the new has been an approved course in the sense in which the HPC approves courses, the passing of which automatically qualifies for registration'.

    2. 'The Panel has no mandate to embark on some general review of training in Podiatric Surgery',


    This possibly leaves many Podiatric Surgeons, where....?

    The course leading to Fellowship of the Podiatry Association was, however, approved and recognised by the CPSM and hence by Privy Council; under the HPC Order 2001 any qualification in the register maintained under the 1960 CPSM Act would continue to have validity but no new registrants could be added if the HPC wanted to have nothing to do with that aspect ! That is what they have done.

    So if you`re an FPodA you`re ok, if not......... don`t end up in court being cross examined as to the validity of your qualification !

    In 20 years most FPodA`s will probably have retired and foot surgery will be all back with the orthopods !
     
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