Home Forums Marketplace Table of Contents Events Member List Site Map Register Mark Forums Read



Welcome to the Podiatry Arena forums, for communication between foot health professionals about podiatry and related topics.

You are currently viewing our podiatry forum as a guest which gives you limited access to view all podiatry discussions and access our other features. By joining our free global community of Podiatrists and other interested foot health care professionals you will have access to post podiatry topics (answer and ask questions), communicate privately with other members (PM), upload content, view attachments, receive a weekly email update of new discussions, earn CPD points and access many other special features. Registered users do not get displayed the advertisments in posted messages. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our global Podiatry community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Tags:

Windlass mechanism and children

Reply
Submit Thread >  Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Google Submit to Yahoo! This Submit to Technorati Submit to StumbleUpon Submit to Spurl Submit to Netscape  < Submit Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21st February 2010, 04:30 AM
m weber's Avatar
m weber m weber is online now
Moderator
Welcome Committee
 
About:
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: stockholm sweden
Posts: 1,657
Join Date: Apr 2009
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 51
Thanked 148 Times in 133 Posts
Default Windlass mechanism and children

Podiatry Arena members do not see these ads
I has a 5 year old in last week for a biomechancial check up, and had just read Eric Fuller´s paper on Windlass again.

So I got to thinking and I think Simon and Martin were discussing this somewhere, not sure that it went so far but......

When does the windlass mechanism start working in children, what age after what milestones? When should it be considered for assessment etc.

ps not sure if this should be in the peds section or biomex but went with biomex.
__________________
Michael Weber

The most common thing about common sense is it´s not very common.

My location
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 21st February 2010, 03:42 PM
Craig Payne's Avatar
Craig Payne Craig Payne is offline
Moderator
Professor of Life, The Universe and Everything
 
About:
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2,508
Join Date: Aug 2004
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 27
Thanked 198 Times in 150 Posts
Default Re: Windlass and Children

I had some email dialogue with PT about this last week. here is a cut and paste of some of my comments:
Quote:
There was a small 'news article' in BioMechanics magazine a few yrs ago that reported on an abstract from a Clinical Gait Analysis Society Conference (but I looked in the abstract book and can not find it). They did a 3d analysis of the developing gait and showed that during gait that 1st MPJ dorsiflexion does not full develop until a mean of age x (I can't actually recall the age, but it was around 6) - they stated in the 'news article' that this was related to windlass function -- we sort of know that already as most below that age they have a very apropulsive gait and by around 6-7 the adult heel-toe gait develops --> ie hallux dorsifelxion DURING GAIT.

This means that the windlass is probably not working in kids under the age of 6 until that heel-toe gait pattern with hallux dorsiflexion develops --- this possibly is a contributing factor to paediatric flatfoot that is physiological.

Having said that - if you get a kid under 6 standing and grab the hallux, the windlass works and the arch comes up ... so the windlass is capable of working, but at that age they not using hallux dorsiflexion during gait --> no windlass during gait.
Quote:
The "news article" that reported on the non-existent abstract (the reporter was at the conference) said that hallux dorsiflexion during gait did not happen until a mean age of around 6.something ... ..I not sure how they got 3d markers on such small feet, esp the MPJ????
__________________
Craig Payne
Department of Podiatry
La Trobe University
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/podiatry
__________________________________________________ ___________________________________
God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things - right now I am so far behind, I will never die.
The views expressed above are those of the author and not that of La Trobe University
This is where I am, where are you?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 22nd February 2010, 03:00 AM
m weber's Avatar
m weber m weber is online now
Moderator
Welcome Committee
 
About:
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: stockholm sweden
Posts: 1,657
Join Date: Apr 2009
Marketplace reputation 0% (0)
Thanks: 51
Thanked 148 Times in 133 Posts
Default Re: Windlass mechanism and children

So it´s more to do with lack of dorsiflexion of the 1st MTP joint during rather than bone and Joint development of the 1st MTP joint and the plantarfascia being able to use the joint to create the windlass mechanism.

or maybe a little of both, as the child I had has no windlass when I dorsiflexed the hallux when weightbearing. Be intersting to see her over the years.
to see if it changes.
__________________
Michael Weber

The most common thing about common sense is it´s not very common.

My location
Thread Starter
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Translate This Page

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Windlass Mechanism PodT Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 10 8th January 2010 03:34 PM
Windlass Mechanism Asher Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 28 21st July 2009 07:26 PM
The reverse windlass mechanism Admin Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 4 20th December 2007 12:18 PM
MBTs and windlass mechanism Asher Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 16 5th November 2007 07:29 PM
Windlass Mechanism reference Ian North Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses 6 4th April 2006 08:54 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

Finding your way around:

Browse the forums.

Search the site.

Browse the tags.

Search the tags.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:17 AM.