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My wife stopped off at Salisbury's in Purley way at around 6 pm on her way home from work. Something kicked off whilst she was at the checkout as loads of police ran throughout the store and in her words "police cars and sirens were coming from everywhere.
I live around a mile from the rest of the incident last night, around 10 ish we saw a police helicopter hovering over Croydon ( a daily occurrence) and didn't take much notice, within 30 minutes there was 5 police helicopters ( possibly the ambulance HEMS was one of them), and palls of smoke in the skyline. 2 of the choppers went away and returned 20 minutes later,
I have read on the news today a man is seriously ill with Gunshot wounds in hospital after being found in a car half a mile away from me, all part of the same situation.
The trams have stopped running from East Croydon to Wandle park because of the fires and there are still sporadic sirens around.
What Amazed me was children as young as 9 or 10 were standing around watching AND going into shops looting and people instead of going home and getting out of the situation were hanging around in the middle of the police lines
This has been brewing in Croydon and surrounding area's for ages Mike a legacy of the Politically Correct Twaddle that we have suffered which I'm sure will continue that the police broke some scumbags human rights coz the knocked him over during an arrest and how the police were too brutal an did it all wrong. We need a VERY strong hand with this because the damage people have had done to their property, fear they now have to live with and disruption to their business and daily lives MUST be taken into account because the decent people have done nothing wrong and deserve a quality of life.
I was born and bred in Croydon and live just outside on the borders.
I never ever thought I would witness this, and fear for the living environment my Grand children are facing in the coming years ...
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My wife stopped off at Salisbury's in Purley way at around 6 pm on her way home from work. Something kicked off whilst she was at the checkout as loads of police ran throughout the store and in her words "police cars and sirens were coming from everywhere.
I live around a mile from the rest of the incident last night, around 10 ish we saw a police helicopter hovering over Croydon ( a daily occurrence) and didn't take much notice, within 30 minutes there was 5 police helicopters ( possibly the ambulance HEMS was one of them), and palls of smoke in the skyline. 2 of the choppers went away and returned 20 minutes later,
I have read on the news today a man is seriously ill with Gunshot wounds in hospital after being found in a car half a mile away from me, all part of the same situation.
The trams have stopped running from East Croydon to Wandle park because of the fires and there are still sporadic sirens around.
What Amazed me was children as young as 9 or 10 were standing around watching AND going into shops looting and people instead of going home and getting out of the situation were hanging around in the middle of the police lines
This has been brewing in Croydon and surrounding area's for ages Mike a legacy of the Politically Correct Twaddle that we have suffered which I'm sure will continue that the police broke some scumbags human rights coz the knocked him over during an arrest and how the police were too brutal an did it all wrong. We need a VERY strong hand with this because the damage people have had done to their property, fear they now have to live with and disruption to their business and daily lives MUST be taken into account because the decent people have done nothing wrong and deserve a quality of life.
I was born and bred in Croydon and live just outside on the borders.
I never ever thought I would witness this, and fear for the living environment my Grand children are facing in the coming years ...
Police Helicopters hovering over Croydon again, Keep you posted if it Kicks off again. My first patient has a large electrical store in Purley way. Has just had a call to say the police are recommending All shops are to double board all windows. They Cleaned out PC world in the Purley Way last night according to him . He has just left very angry and very worried.
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I live 5 mins from Clapham Junction and was in the area as it all started to kick off and quickly got out of there - the whole area just exploded, those shops have been operating for a number of years, and we have a very strong community spirit. Unfortunaltely the whole 'dont sh*t on your doorstep' rule has gone out the window as many of these mugs live in and around the area!
My friend is in the riot police unit in Brixton having finished a 32 hour shift i spoke to him and he is saying they are literally stretched to breaking - they are all shattered, they cant chase down these looters as their gear is just too heavy, and for every 20 there is something like 200 rioters last time the numbers were going round!
On a side note that sky reported deserves a raise! he was like rambo with an iphone!
Tonight is going to messy again i fear!
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This seems to be a first, (certainly a UK first). Internet rioting.
Flashmobbing has been around for nearly a decade. Generally it's peaceful enough. But someone seems to have twigged that flashmobbing can be used to organise a riot!
The rule of law relies on consent. There are not enough police cells in the city for a fraction of the offenders. Now they've figured out that police cannot be everywhere at once, and they just have to be in enough places to outmanouver them. I hear that there are threats of organised chaos (not an oxymoron any more) in places like gillingham, hastings and others, as well as london.
Its not much short of guerrilla warfare. Small mobile forces trying to stay ahead of the larger enemy. Doing damage then dissappearing. Really scary stuff.
We'll see what happens tonight. These things are organic. If it shrinks we'll all be happy. If it grows and spreads then God help us all. Because there are, and have always been, more scum than police. Society relies on the scum being unaware of this. But social networking allows them to be almost as well organised and far more numerous.
This seems to be a first, (certainly a UK first). Internet rioting.
Flashmobbing has been around for nearly a decade. Generally it's peaceful enough. But someone seems to have twigged that flashmobbing can be used to organise a riot!
The rule of law relies on consent. There are not enough police cells in the city for a fraction of the offenders. Now they've figured out that police cannot be everywhere at once, and they just have to be in enough places to outmanouver them. I hear that there are threats of organised chaos (not an oxymoron any more) in places like gillingham, hastings and others, as well as london.
Its not much short of guerrilla warfare. Small mobile forces trying to stay ahead of the larger enemy. Doing damage then dissappearing. Really scary stuff.
We'll see what happens tonight. These things are organic. If it shrinks we'll all be happy. If it grows and spreads then God help us all. Because there are, and have always been, more scum than police. Society relies on the scum being unaware of this. But social networking allows them to be almost as well organised and far more numerous.
It seems they need to stop all mobile phone coverage,internet etc etc won´t happen of course.
I read that there were 5000 police at the royal wedding but 1400 out last night.
dont worry rob out in the rural counties we can deal with anarchy big dogs and shotguns we should stand shoulder to shoulder and should punish this small number of antisocial people they have no real strength they are just a bloody nusance.
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On the subject of policing, the reporting of that made my blood boil. The media have widel criticised the policing and I've heard more than a few people bemoaning what was done, or not done.
From an interview:-
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Pc Deller added: "We didn't surrender the streets. Over 50 of my colleagues were injured last night defending those streets to the best of their capability.
"I don't think at any point did we surrender."
Too bloody right! Anyone who thinks the poor sods who were out last night trying to keep us all safe should do better should be given a small plastic shield and a wooden stick and stuck at the front of the line for a better view of the petrol bomb wielding mob. Then they'd have a right to comment. Sitting in a nice warm studio with nothing more threatening than an autocue failiure to worry about bemoaning how the police had "surrendered the streets" shows a shameful lack of support for the services who were placed in an impossible position!!
And I'm with Del. Anyone with any sense will be at home with door locked at 11 pm tonight. There are no "innocent bystanders" at something like this. But our home secretary seems to think the use of water cannon would be excessive and breech their dear little human rights. Wheras the 50 injured police officers, who did NOT choose to be there and who were facing a mob with NO constraints on whatever weaponry they could lay hands on, we don't worry too much about THIER human rights.
I read they're due to have 13,000 police on duty in london tonight. Which is great provided the people they've drafted in from other places don't leave those place insufficiently protected.
There were 6000 police out last night, and they've managed to scrape together 16,000 for tonight.
The problem with last nights numbers were many of the police had to be sent home from pure exhaustion. Many had been on from saturday in some areas.
Thankfully many other constabularies are sending specialist officers in, combined with officers back on duty the numbers should be increased - the problem is even then it wont be enough, and when you have areas with small levels of violence compaired to areas such as clapham etc you still need a police presence, so the police numbers break up more and more until whats left is ineffective against a group of 700 youths.
This seems to be a first, (certainly a UK first). Internet rioting.
Flashmobbing has been around for nearly a decade. Generally it's peaceful enough. But someone seems to have twigged that flashmobbing can be used to organise a riot!
The rule of law relies on consent. There are not enough police cells in the city for a fraction of the offenders. Now they've figured out that police cannot be everywhere at once, and they just have to be in enough places to outmanouver them. I hear that there are threats of organised chaos (not an oxymoron any more) in places like gillingham, hastings and others, as well as london.
Its not much short of guerrilla warfare. Small mobile forces trying to stay ahead of the larger enemy. Doing damage then dissappearing. Really scary stuff.
We'll see what happens tonight. These things are organic. If it shrinks we'll all be happy. If it grows and spreads then God help us all. Because there are, and have always been, more scum than police. Society relies on the scum being unaware of this. But social networking allows them to be almost as well organised and far more numerous.
My 15 year old son, has just received notification (via Twitter and Facebook) that there are planned riots for Southampton tonight. Not good.
There were 6000 police out last night, and they've managed to scrape together 16,000 for tonight.
Apparently a lot of them are Specials And now we can all sleep safe in our beds coz Mr out of touch Cameron and equally out of touch May have returned from their holidays to sort out the problem which if they had actually litened to public opinion wouldnt have happened. They have Cobra sitting now which involves all emergency services and the military and we apparently are gonna have a curfew tonight for kids.
Why cant we have "anyone wearing a hood or covering their face is placed under immediate arrest on suspicion ??
On the subject of the police yep their hands are tied and Yes Rob , I was in the Notting Hill Riots and the Brixton Riots in my previous life back in the 70's and I can only remember the sheer Terror I felt when petrol bombs and assorted items were landing around me and then the Ambo came under attack from youths throwing eveything and anything at us.
We were just there to help nothing more but with rent a mob there anyone in a uniform was fair game. Nothings changed now it would seem.
Yet again, already the human rights of these scum are put before the safety of the police
WHEN are the law abiding tax paying ordinary people in this country going to be listened too ??
Sod Europe and the limp wristed brigade, do as in wartime..Looters will be shot on site that should help .
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Why cant we have "anyone wearing a hood or covering their face is placed under immediate arrest on suspicion ??
Same reason they could'nt arrest everyone last night! Where do you put 700 detainees?! You can't arrest them all. You can only move them from one place to another or hem them in. And no one wants the riot hemmed in their street!
Now in Northern Ireland they get treated to a lungful of CS Gas and a nice hose down with a water cannon. But for some reason they seem to shy from that, prefering to send policemen (and they must be mostly specials as you say) in with sticks to get beat up on.
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My 15 year old son, has just received notification (via Twitter and Facebook) that there are planned riots for Southampton tonight. Not good.
Welcome to the new world. Where "planned riots" is a recognised phrase and where you get the news before it happens via a 15 year olds twitter account. Scary, scary stuff.
This has been going on for many years in Northern Ireland. It is either "recreational rioting" for mischief or is orchestrated for some other malign purpose. The visual evidence shows common theft, looting and wanton vandalism. What or who is behind it? It seems to be controlled in some way and in the absence of an army deployment to restore order - politically a non-starter in the mainland U.K. - police "snatch squads" and very robust policing of gatherings of youth gangs at flash points is about all that can be done. Not every citizen or their property can be protected. One good thing is that, so far anyway, there has been no shooting in confrontations between police and the rioters. Good luck London and elsewhere where there has been trouble.
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Having seen some of the video footage of these riots I can only commend the restraint of the police for not using their batons to full effect.
I wonder why, on mainland UK, we pussy-foot about with these law-breakers whose behaviour would not be tolerated in other parts of UK (and the rest of the world)?
The Met need to admit they have lost the plot and bring in the army with rubber bullets, water-cannon and tear gas.
If the rioters are organised via social networking sites then vigilante groups can do just the same, and it would serve the lawbreakers right if they had a run-in with such a group.
I for one am fed-up with paying taxes to support these morons, most of whom are probably benefit scroungers.
CF
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As much as I hate to agree with the HS, soldiers on the street is one place I WOULD draw the line. The army means martial law. Martial law means no civil law, no civil rights, no habeus corpus. More, the effect on the army of being used on its own citizens is potentially disasterous. They're not trained for it!
Thats a genie which is damn hard to get back in the bottle once its out.
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I can only commend the restraint of the police for not using their batons to full effect.
vigilante groups can do just the same, and it would serve the lawbreakers right if they had a run-in with such a group.
CF
I agree that the police should be commended, but it also a point of safety - the police literally cant use their batons to full effect and this would incense the crowd further, and would put their lives at danger - if you see the films from woolwhich of the police being charged at by 700 rioters you can see why they are reluctant.
I would disagree with thought of vigilante groups, so far, considering the emotional and financial hurt caused there has been little in respect of physical hurt (and by that i mean no real number of deaths, even though there has been serious injuries and attempts on life) - the thought of pitch battles would just turn what is a bad situation in a death trap - then there is the moral side of things.
The police do need to solve this problem, but it has to be the police not the army.
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We have a group of politicians who are about as much use as Anne Frank's typewriter. I watched Sky News until nearly 2am last night - and quickly became sick of official statements being released condeming the riots as inexcusable. No sh!t - go do something about it you clowns. There is no message or protest here - these are bottom feeders who have no respect for peoples property and clearly no respect for (or fear of) the police.
What we need is the army to come in and start dishing out some proper kickings. I have friends in the military and I know they feel the same. They can't believe the behaviour of these scumbags.
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And now we can all sleep safe in our beds coz Mr out of touch Cameron and equally out of touch May have returned from their holidays to sort out the problem which if they had actually litened to public opinion wouldnt have happened. They have Cobra sitting now which involves all emergency services and the military and we apparently are gonna have a curfew tonight for kids.
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