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I watched the last hour of the test match between India and Australia the other day and it was some of the most exciting cricket that I have seen in a long time. There was some furore yesterday, but I just put it down to the India team being sore losers. There was an item on last nights news about the burning of Ponting's effigy's on the street in India - I thought that this was something of an overreaction.
While searching for some NZ news, I came across this piece:
If Cricket Australia cares a fig for the tattered reputation of its national team in its national sport, it will not for a moment longer tolerate the sort of arrogant and abrasive conduct seen from the captain and his senior players over the past few days
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Beyond comparison it was the ugliest performance put up by an Australian side for 20 years.
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That the senior players in the Australian team are oblivious to the fury they raised among many followers of the game in this country and beyond merely confirms their own narrow and self-obsessed viewpoint.
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Doubtless they were not exposed to the messages that poured in from distressed enthusiasts aghast to see the scenes of bad sportsmanship and triumphalism presented at the SCG during and after the Test. Pained past players rang to express their disgust. It was a wretched and ill-mannered display and not to be endured from any side, let alone an international outfit representing a proud sporting nation.
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Make no mistake, it is not only the reputation of these cricketers that has suffered. Australia itself has been embarrassed.
!!! It is amazing how the media in Australia vs the media overseas are seeing this issue. Even the BBC are saying:
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India have had enough and are suspending their tour of Australia
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Given that Ponting's conduct has not been without fault at other stages of the match, India feel thoroughly aggrieved at this latest turn of events.
Over the years the Aussies have produced some of the best cricketing teams ever, and they always play to win. Yet two supreme moments of sportsmanship occurred in the last but one Ashes series when Lee (not a recognised batsman) had defended his wicket and put Australia into a position where they could win the match. Flintoff (who also plays to win) took the final wicket to win the match. His reaction? Triumphalism? No, he turned to commiserate with Lee. The second moment was when Pieterson was finally out having made his century and won the match and the series for England. Warne (who does not like losing) walked the length of the pitch to shake his hand.
There is no doubt that India suffered from two appalling umpiring decisions and are right to question this. However, these things happen.
My own impression of the Aussies, having spent a month in Sidney and Melbourne (apologies to the rest) is that they can dish it out but can also take it, and respect you the more when you throw it back at them. The rest of the world had to get used to sledging when it was not the 'done thing'. It's just the way they play, so India would be well advised to learn to dish it out and not throw the dummy out of the pram. Australia who invented the technique should not whinge when they get it back.
With respect Dave, I have always believed that sport is a way of building bridges and I feel that your comments only reflect the negative action which India has taken in pulling out of future contests.
The telling thing for me is how the media outside of Australia are viewing this. I do not think many in Australia are aware of the perception that this is having.
A couple of TV news shows here had those crappy phone in polls (for what they are worth), but the support of the Australian public is clearly on the side of the Australian cricket team.
Oh well another of my posts has been pulled. Seems having an opinion on sensitive subjects which is not Politically correct leads to censorship.
There was one post from another member (now deleted) here asking you to edit part of the message we deleted. I also had 2 emails and 3 PM's objecting to part of what you wrote. I can't remember the specifics as the message is gone, but the words 'politically incorrect' was used by a couple of complainers. I just can't be bothered with all the nonsense, so just deleted the message ....
So in a society where freedom of speech is enshrined in law it seems that censorship is condoned because a minority who have an opinion on that free speech are valued higher than the majority who are not offended by that freespeech.
Sadly, I agree that in this case throwing the dummy out of the pram has resulted in India getting what they wanted. A sad day for the game and for Steve Buckner, a skilled and respected umpire who, in this case made mistakes, (most of us do from time to time).
I do, however, stick to my remarks on sledging. It's how Auss play the game and if they dish it out then they should be able to take it (they usually do).
To put it in context, as Ian Botham came to the wicket, Rodney Marsh (Australian wicket keeper) tried to unsettle him by asking 'How are your wife and my children?' Botham replied, 'my wife is fine but the kids are retarded'.
It can be fun and is part of the game, but is starting to cross the line.
Part of the current controversy is over an alleged racial slur. I also recall a recent sledge directed at a previous fast bowler, Glen McGrath, over his wifes battle with breast cancer -- thats when its also going over the line.
For me Craig, the remark concerning McGrath's wife is beyond the pale. However, who am I, or you, to determine what is or isn't acceptable. I pointed out in an earlier posting that when 'sledging' began it was generally internationally unacceptable but it was the way that the Aussies played. Because one of their players is upset by an allegedly racist remark they are now crying 'foul'. In the good old Australian expression 'dry yer eyes and get on with it'.
Unfortunately Twirly, pretty well any remark can be taken as offensive. The process of sledging was designed to be upsetting and cause distress to 'put off' the opposing player. I don't go along with Dave's deleted remarks but he is absolutely correct that India have got what they wanted out of the whole debacle which cannot be 'right' and is financially inspired. Both Australia and India need to look carefully at their attitude to a great game.
We've all got chips on our shoulders and it's better to eat them (and look like Shane Warne) than to try to get someone to knock them off.
F However, who am I, or you, to determine what is or isn't acceptable. I pointed out in an earlier posting that when 'sledging' began it was generally internationally unacceptable but it was the way that the Aussies played. Because one of their players is upset by an allegedly racist remark they are now crying 'foul'. In the good old Australian expression 'dry yer eyes and get on with it'.
I not sure I got the full story or understand it properly, but there has been some snippets on the news here about an agreement between the Australian and Indian captians at the start of the tour for something like "what happens on the field, stays on the field" ... while I think the racial taunting of Symonds (which did start when Australia toured India) is over the mark, the fact it went to a complaint process is part of what has incensed the India team.....incidently Symonds got sweat justice by being named 'man of the match'.
Yeah, both captains might have agreed to whatever, but in the heat of the match, each team is playing to win and will do anything.
To me, the umpires need to be more in control of the game. What the ump says, goes. If the ump didn't hear it, move on. Relying on the say-so of one team vs another is fraught. If the umpire hears the sledging and decides its 'within the spirit of the game', play on. If he decides its over the mark, then it needs to be dealt with officially.
By the way, I was appalled when Kumble was caught in the slips, the Aussies celebrated the wicket, Kumble didn't know if he was out or not, the umpire just stood there and did nothing and so Kumble had to ask the umpire to make a decision. Do your job ump, take control of the game! It was amazing.
I return to my point made to Twirly - there's no point in an insult if it does not upset the recipient. I find it very interesting that a racial slur is seen by the PC brigade as much, much worse than an accusation of having sexual relationships with your mother. Or am I being just a touch disingenuous and humour is at last entering the incident?
My take on humour is witty jibe = humour ie. the guy who retorted the reason he was chubby was the other guys wife providing post coital biscuits. I thought was very funny. Chortled muchly.
I consider other remarks as offensive if they aren't intended to provide a witty response but are intended to cause real harm.
Maybe I'm odd!
Or just nicer than men playing with bats n balls?
For what it's worth I also reckon that if either team have to rely on daft jibes to gain an upper hand then maybe the cricket pitch is the wrong place to start.
Kindergarten perhaps?
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Again the Indian Cricketing Authorities have approached an allegation with their usual professionalism.
WE WON T PLAY UNLESS YOU DO WHAT WE WANT!!!!
So the allegation is downgraded to use of offensive language and not racist remark.
Call me a cynical, sorry as foul and offensive language is not a great sin in cricket, BASTARD (illigitimate Child for those of delicate sensibilities) but is not the behaviour of the player and the cricketing authorities that of a bunch of:
MAN KEI (i hope that i have got the spelling right). appologies if i have not.
Oh well so much for sporting professionalism and the conduct of those gifted with great ability an example to those of our youth who are influenced by their sporting heroes.
I am so out of touch I still can't work out how "monkey" became a racial slur and what exactly it means in that context...
As for the arrogance of the Aussie team, that was evident before the tests even started - one or two players made comments inferring the tests would be a walk in the park...of course that is going to get people off-side before they even reach the wicket.
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I am so out of touch I still can't work out how "monkey" became a racial slur and what exactly it means in that context...
Its goes back to the 1936 Olympics in Berlin and the way the Nazi regime portrayed Jesse Owens (and blacks in general) after his 100m gold. The pictures on the front page of the newspaper tried to link the evolution of blacks being closer to monkey's than the aryan race.
The reason for the slur and the controversy is that the Indian Supporters and allegedly members of the Indian cricket team were name calling one of the Australian players specifically.
Everytime he touched the ball the chant was made. MONKEY
Now let me see why is this offensive to an Australian Team member.
The palyer is of West Indian origin and has dreadlocks and wore White skin block on his lips.
He complained to the authorities and the Indian crowds were admonished and so were the Indian cricket team.
So in the next match when the word Monkey was uttered the aussie player again complained.
4 days later an excuse of MAN KEI was the word uttered. So not a racial slur But as Bill has so eloquently put it an obscene slur was uttered.
The aussie player initially did not accept this explanation but has subsequently accepted it. So the matter is now dead and the Indian SPORTSMEN play on.
It's an interesting world isn't it. I can recall a time when, in the U.K. at least, it was considered a racial slur to describe someone of Afro-Caribbean origin as 'black' or in plural 'blacks'.
I understand that the racial desription of Jesse Owens by the Nazis went back much further.
I didn't know that Symonds was of Afro-Caribbean origin anyway, and as a previous poster pointed out he got man of the match.
Isn't this all a bit of a mountain being created out of a molehill and obscurring - as Dave points out - the more important issues.
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